Quote:The story is fiction --- but it's still repulsive.

The same can be said of "joshua" murdering everyone in sight because 'god' told him to.

Hey Rayaan..if Mohammad really was the profit of God, then why did all he do is make war in his fictional story? How come he didnt get good scientific information from Allah, like a cure for cancer, or Polio...

..I guess thats asking too much for goatherders imaginations. The farthest they could obviously go is "war god!" and "Tribal warlord Mohammad!"

Yeah..not the slightest impressed...revolted actually, that someone could cling to such rubbish in the 21st century.

Mohammad may be fictional, but his psycho followers are very much real and very much a threat to modernity and freedom

(May 24, 2011 at 4:14 pm)Rhage Wrote:

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Okay, so according to your outline:

1: Just because she didn't express "a feeling of dissatisfaction or even hatred towards Muhammad" then it was okay that he married a child?? I have a 6 year old, if I rammed it into her head from birth that it was perfectly okay and normal to marry and man at 9 years old, and that was reinforced by all those around her, she'd think it was just fine too. That doesn't make it right. At. All.

2: Just because it was approved by her parents doesn't make it right. That just means she had shitbag parents to start with.

3: So just because it was "culturally" okay, makes it okay for everyone? I don't think so. There are plenty of things that are okay in other cultures, but we would never allow them . I don't think that being "culturally" okay is a valid point.

4:See point 1 of my post. They mentally fucked her up from that beginning. Anything after that becomes moot, in my opinion. Also, see "Stockholm syndrome". In essence, her was her captor, because it's not like she had much choice in the matter.

Really, even if you don't put the label "pedophile" on him, he was still a guy who married a little girl, and that's fucked up. End of story.

There is no redeemable quality in that. Ever.

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1. Along with the absence of dissatifiction, she was also pleased and happy in being married to him, hence referring to him as an "apostle of Allah."

2. It doesn't make it right according to your own standards. This doesn't mean that her parents were shitbags or something. Since it is agreed upon in Western societies that the acceptability of customary laws and practices should be determined by the general consensus of their own society, not by God, the moral authority to determine what is or isn't acceptable to others can be different and yet acceptable.

3. Yes, it was culturally okay, but I didn't say that this makes it okay for everyone. You will not find such a thing in my post.

4. You don't know if her parents mentally fucked her up or not. If she turned out so well in the later years of her marriage (see # 4), then that is a valid argument which goes against your opinion.

5. As I said earlier, she was considered to be a woman when she was married since Islam does not allow marriage before puberty (which is the time of womanhood for a Muslim). Nine years of age might seem like a small child to you, but some people mature at different rates, and thus they enter womanhood much earlier than others from a social perspective (if not biologically). I believe this is what happened to Aisha.

(May 24, 2011 at 4:20 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote:

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I'll make this easier... you're a pedophile if you find the 'innocent' look appealing. After that, tis a matter of degrees. Rarely find the look appealing? Weak pedophilia. Often find the look appealing? Strong pedophilia.

A normal person with any sort of libido is probably weakly pedophiliac. Yes, Muhammad was a pedophile. No, that isn't a bad thing to be. My question is to the degree of pedophilia. How many of his marriages was to an 'innocent' person?

And no, it is not a disorder to find something attractive. What is disorderly, is attempting to control a natural response with a social value... which crime's existence all too well should reveal the folly of.

And I just love how convoluted that definition of pedophilia is. Wow, you also have to be unsatisfied to find something else attractive? And of course the person may have low self esteem... related: Hardly. Why bring it up? And sex is threatening now? As in scary? This is truly fascinating... who wrote that garbage anyway? Oh... E. Britanica... no wonder it's absolute garbage.

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1. The idea that you're a a pedophile if you find the 'innocent' look appealing, is not a good one, since pedophilia has more to do with sexual attraction than simply looks. If that's the definition, then anyone who thinks that little children are cute and innocent are pedophiles. However, I agree that the definition on E. Britannica which says that a pedophile's relationship with an adult has to be "less threatening" doesn't necessarily have to be true. But aside from that, I read the same thing on wikipedia and a few other articles on the definition of pedophilia.

2. Like you or anyone else, I don't know the degree of his pedophilia, but it doesn't seem to be too strong since all his other wives were 17 years or older.

3. I am not attempting to control a natural response by merely attributing this to a social value. If you think so, then explain how I'm doing that based on what I wrote in my original post (in # 3).

(May 24, 2011 at 5:00 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

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Yeah, sorry Rayaan but that is just apologetic bullshit.

Not that I think he was real but in the story how old was "Muhammad" supposed to have been when he started fucking a nine year old?

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1. Muhammad was somewhere in the 50's while she was 9.

2. I find it a little inconsistent that you know so much about the history of religion and yet you think that Muhammad is not real. But, oh well, that's your opinion.

Rayaan, there is no more ACTUAL EVIDENCE for muhammad than there is for jesus, moses, or quetzlcoatl.

We have nothing but the professions of believers.

Perhaps you know that, in my book, the professions of believers are not worth dog shit.

A Muslim defending whatever Muhammed does that by anyones standards today would be sickening!??!? SHOCK!

(May 24, 2011 at 8:45 pm)Rayaan Wrote: 2. I find it a little inconsistent that you know so much about the history of religion and yet you think that Muhammad is not real. But, oh well, that's your opinion.

That isnt what I would call "inconsistent" of Min..I would call it "denial" from you.

Min has been CONSISTENTLY accurate on the topic of religion, including Islam.

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(May 24, 2011 at 8:50 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Perhaps you know that, in my book, the professions of believers are not worth dog shit.

I would love to read that book one day Min.

Lets be honest, Rayaan, Muhammed could have done ANYTHING in the koran, and no matter how evil, you and the rest of the followers of your particular brand of bullshit would find ways to justify it.

Quote:I would love to read that book one day Min.

Maybe one day I'll write it.

(May 24, 2011 at 8:50 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Rayaan, there is no more ACTUAL EVIDENCE for muhammad than there is for jesus, moses, or quetzlcoatl.

We have nothing but the professions of believers.

Perhaps you know that, in my book, the professions of believers are not worth dog shit.

Actually, while there is no evidence for jesus or muhammud, there is evidence for quetzlcoatlus:


http://www.thedinosaurs.org/dinosaurs/qu...atlus.aspx

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/q/quetzalcoatl.html

Quote:Quetzalcoatl

"Feathered Snake". One of the major deities of the Aztec, Toltecs, and other Middle American peoples. He is the creator sky-god and wise legislator. He organized the original cosmos and participated in the creation and destruction of various world periods. Quetzalcoatl ruled the fifth world cycle and created the humans of that cycle. The story goes that he descended to Mictlan, the underworld, and gathered the bones of the human beings of the previous epochs. Upon his return, he sprinkled his own blood upon these bones and fashioned thus the humans of the new era. He is also a god of the wind (the wind-god Ehecatl is one of his forms), as well as a water-god and fertility-god.

Close. The Big Q as his friends called him wasn't any pussy god like jesus.