(September 21, 2016 at 10:44 am)Rhythm Wrote: Is your own ignorance of self anyone else's problem?  We get this all the time.  Batshit religiousite a doesn't think that their religion is a religion like batshit religiousite b's religion.   Batshit religiousite b holds batshit religiousite a in identical regard.

You do what you believe a disservice by pretending not to believe it, and for what?  No reason other than to be contrarian.

So all theists follow religions isn't it Rit?  
I suppose you must be an embarrassment for the few open mind atheists that do not generalize.  

(September 21, 2016 at 5:50 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Poked my head in to see why the fuck this thread was still going. Turns out, not worth the look. Gabye.

Not worth the look for an atheist.
I agree.  
I guess it must be sad for an atheists to see that the consciousness survive the physical death.  

(September 22, 2016 at 10:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: I guess it must be sad for an atheists to see that the consciousness survive the physical death.  

Really, Rik? Do I have to educate you on this again?!

(September 23, 2016 at 8:34 am)Ben Davis Wrote:

(September 22, 2016 at 10:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: I guess it must be sad for an atheists to see that the consciousness survive the physical death.  

Really, Rik? Do I have to educate you on this again?!

By all means Ben go on with your education.

LR is all ears.  

(September 22, 2016 at 10:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: I guess it must be sad for an atheists to see that the consciousness survive the physical death.  

How exactly is this or any near death experience evidence that consciousness survives physical death?
You're nothing but a clown. Repeating the same assertions without ever providing any evidence.
What a joke you are.

Are you going to repeat your silly NDE argument again? Of course you are.

(September 23, 2016 at 4:34 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(September 22, 2016 at 10:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: I guess it must be sad for an atheists to see that the consciousness survive the physical death.  

How exactly is this or any near death experience evidence that consciousness survives physical death?
You're nothing but a clown.  Repeating the same assertions without ever providing any evidence.
What a joke you are.

Are you going to repeat your silly NDE argument again?  Of course you are.

Why Jor? Why?

He's doesn't exist if you don't feed him. Let him starve.

(September 23, 2016 at 4:34 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(September 22, 2016 at 10:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: I guess it must be sad for an atheists to see that the consciousness survive the physical death.  

How exactly is this or any near death experience evidence that consciousness survives physical death?
You're nothing but a clown.  Repeating the same assertions without ever providing any evidence.
What a joke you are.

Are you going to repeat your silly NDE argument again?  Of course you are.

Too many people testified that their consciousness took over once their bodies did die and more are emerging every day.
These people were not under the influence of any drugs and their body-brains were declared dead by qualify doctors so your stubbornness in refusing to believe is just your personal mental problem.
Nothing to do with the evidence.  

http://www.near-death.com/science/resear...ences.html

(September 24, 2016 at 7:59 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(September 23, 2016 at 4:34 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: How exactly is this or any near death experience evidence that consciousness survives physical death?
You're nothing but a clown.  Repeating the same assertions without ever providing any evidence.
What a joke you are.

Are you going to repeat your silly NDE argument again?  Of course you are.

Too many people testified that their consciousness took over once their bodies did die and more are emerging every day.
These people were not under the influence of any drugs and their body-brains were declared dead by qualify doctors so your stubbornness in refusing to believe is just your personal mental problem.
Nothing to do with the evidence.  

http://www.near-death.com/science/resear...ences.html

Quote:Dr. Tart published an article in the Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research which documents the OBE of a young woman who was one of his research subjects. What makes this particular OBE remarkable is that she was able to leave her physical body and read a 5-digit number from a significant distance and correctly give it to him upon return. This is one of best examples of a veridical OBE occurring under laboratory conditions.

Quote:During the experiment Tart monitored the equipment in the next room, behind an observation window, however, he admitted he had occasionally dozed during the night...nor had an observer been in the sleep chamber with her — precautions that should have been taken."

The psychologist James Alcock criticized the experiment for inadequate controls and questioned why the subject was not visually monitored by a video camera. Martin Gardner has written the experiment was not evidence for an OBE and suggested that whilst Tart was "snoring behind the window, Miss Z simply stood up in bed, without detaching the electrodes, and peeked." Susan Blackmore wrote "If Miss Z had tried to climb up, the brain-wave record would have showed a pattern of interference. And that was exactly what it did show."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Ta...experiment (emphasis mine)

This is the quality of your evidence? No wonder you need "hundreds" of NDEs to make your case. A lot of poor evidence does not equal good evidence.





Regardless, your claim was that "consciousness survives physical death" -- OOBEs only suggest that unconscious subjects can have clairvoyant perceptions, not that their consciousness survives death. If the subjects were indeed dead, i.e. brain dead, then there would be nothing left to rescuscitate. Yet patients recover with varying levels of brain damage. This shows that brain metabolism was still proceeding during their "near death". This is a total fail. You want evidence of one thing, but you provide evidence of something completely different. That's not providing evidence of the claim. Like I said, you're a joke. This is nothing but a red herring.

Are we STILL going around with LR about NDE's? Whyyyyy?! He's like a doll with a string in the back that is only capable of spouting the three or four phrases pre-recorded into him at the manufacturing company. He's literally been arguing the SAME thing (ineffectively) for like...a year, lol. LR, I think you might be a robot!

(September 24, 2016 at 8:42 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 7:59 am)Little Rik Wrote: Too many people testified that their consciousness took over once their bodies did die and more are emerging every day.
These people were not under the influence of any drugs and their body-brains were declared dead by qualify doctors so your stubbornness in refusing to believe is just your personal mental problem.
Nothing to do with the evidence.  

http://www.near-death.com/science/resear...ences.html

Quote:Dr. Tart published an article in the Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research which documents the OBE of a young woman who was one of his research subjects. What makes this particular OBE remarkable is that she was able to leave her physical body and read a 5-digit number from a significant distance and correctly give it to him upon return. This is one of best examples of a veridical OBE occurring under laboratory conditions.

Quote:During the experiment Tart monitored the equipment in the next room, behind an observation window, however, he admitted he had occasionally dozed during the night...nor had an observer been in the sleep chamber with her — precautions that should have been taken."

The psychologist James Alcock criticized the experiment for inadequate controls and questioned why the subject was not visually monitored by a video camera. Martin Gardner has written the experiment was not evidence for an OBE and suggested that whilst Tart was "snoring behind the window, Miss Z simply stood up in bed, without detaching the electrodes, and peeked." Susan Blackmore wrote "If Miss Z had tried to climb up, the brain-wave record would have showed a pattern of interference. And that was exactly what it did show."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Ta...experiment (emphasis mine)

This is the quality of your evidence?  No wonder you need "hundreds" of NDEs to make your case.  A lot of poor evidence does not equal good evidence.  





Regardless, your claim was that "consciousness survives physical death" -- OOBEs only suggest that unconscious subjects can have clairvoyant perceptions, not that their consciousness survives death.  If the subjects were indeed dead, i.e. brain dead, then there would be nothing left to rescuscitate.  Yet patients recover with varying levels of brain damage.  This shows that brain metabolism was still proceeding during their "near death". This is a total fail.  You want evidence of one thing, but you provide evidence of something completely different.  That's not providing evidence of the claim.  Like I said, you're a joke.  This is nothing but a red herring.

Fool.  

Physical science or in this case medical science can only understand the physical-mental part of a human.
NDEs go well behind this science.
NDEs deal with spirituality and spirituality is well above the physicality.
Atheists are still dreaming that life sprung out thanks to previous generations.
In this way there is no scope for the individual development of our consciousness.
The manna fall from the sky.

Fool.

Nothing fall from the sky.
Everything is well earned so individual consciousness is the driving force for what we now got.
This developed consciousness never die.
It is an abstract entity that go behind the physical death.
The real owner of all these consciousness is free to do what he-she like most.
He can put the consciousness back in a dead body as already shown by thousand of NDEs experiences
and that dead body live again.

The story that .......  If the subjects were indeed dead, i.e. brain dead, then there would be nothing left to rescuscitate........is just a story.
Nothing to do with what really happen and who is in charge for life and death.