(October 4, 2016 at 3:27 pm)Drich Wrote:

(February 10, 2014 at 6:04 pm)KUSA Wrote: I had a conversation with Christian girl yesterday and it randomly led to the subject of homosexuality.
She believes that it is perfectly acceptable to be a homosexual because you should be able to love anyone you want.
I asked her how she could say that and call herself a Christian. She became iritated. I pointed out that her Bible clearly states that it is an abomination. She finally said " I don't care what it says" and ended the conversation. The stress caused by the cognitive dissonance was pretty high.
I find Christians do this a lot. They reject what they don't like in the Bible.

Here's the thing..

We/Christians don't get to call ourselves Christian and it mean anything.

:Mat 7:21
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Christ goes on to compile a list of great things some of the self proclaimed christians have done... Saint/Pope level stuff. And yet they wrongly identify as Christian.

Christ is the only who can give us this lable, Christ is the only one who can save us. anything else offered/ever offered by a church or any religion is just lip service.

In truth we are not Christians/Not saved till we pass through judgement.. When ever the bible talks about salvation it is always point to the future "you shall be saved" you will be saved... not do this say this prayer and you are saved... not a thing. or not a bible thing, but it is a religion thing...

So you ask how can a christian do...

Here's Jesus' own words:
21 “Not everyone who calls me Lord will enter God’s kingdom. The only people who will enter are those who do what my Father in heaven wants. 22 On that last Day many will call me Lord. They will say, ‘Lord, Lord, by the power of your name we spoke for God. And by your name we forced out demons and did many miracles.’ 23 Then I will tell those people clearly, ‘Get away from me, you people who do wrong. I never knew you.’

So again we see people aligning themselves with Christ and his name, but did evil in their hearts, and he said away from me i never knew you/You were never a christian...

Now before you 'no true scotsman' on me know no true scots refers to arbutary rules to being a scot, verse actual rules conditions set fourth by Christ to being 'christian.'

You fuckers can't even agree on anything amongst yourselves.

There are plenty of Christians that would readily disagree with you on this.

(February 10, 2014 at 6:04 pm)KUSA Wrote: I pointed out that her Bible clearly states that it is an abomination.

No, it doesn't actually.

(April 29, 2016 at 3:53 pm)wiploc Wrote:

(February 10, 2014 at 6:04 pm)KUSA Wrote: I had a conversation with Christian girl yesterday and it randomly led to the subject of homosexuality.
She believes that it is perfectly acceptable to be a homosexual because you should be able to love anyone you want.
I asked her how she could say that and call herself a Christian. She became iritated. I pointed out that her Bible clearly states that it is an abomination. She finally said " I don't care what it says" and ended the conversation. The stress caused by the cognitive dissonance was pretty high.
I find Christians do this a lot. They reject what they don't like in the Bible.

You can't be a Christian unless you cherry-pick which parts you want to believe.  The bible is shot thru with contradictions.  If you read that god can do everything, and also that he can't defeat iron chariots, then you have to pick one or the other.  You can't believe both.

Atheists, on the other hand, can read the bible literally.  We can say, "That's a contradiction.  The bible has to be wrong about at least one of the two conflicting statements."

As an atheist, however, I can insist the christers witnessing the Word to me be of the stripe that do believe all the bible, contradictions and all.

That it is literally impossible is not my problem, it is theirs.

(October 4, 2016 at 6:29 pm)vorlon13 Wrote:

(April 29, 2016 at 3:53 pm)wiploc Wrote: You can't be a Christian unless you cherry-pick which parts you want to believe.  The bible is shot thru with contradictions.  If you read that god can do everything, and also that he can't defeat iron chariots, then you have to pick one or the other.  You can't believe both.

Atheists, on the other hand, can read the bible literally.  We can say, "That's a contradiction.  The bible has to be wrong about at least one of the two conflicting statements."

As an atheist, however, I can insist the christers witnessing the Word to me be of the stripe that do believe all the bible, contradictions and all.

That it is literally impossible is not my problem, it is theirs.

I agree completely.

This is supposedly a set of texts, inspired by the all powerful creator of the universe, that contains the most important message possible. A message imperative to our eternity, and critical that we get it correct.

And yet, it does not contain any sort of instructions on which parts can be ignored, which parts are to be taken literally, which parts are metaphor, which parts are parables, etc. This fact has lead to thousands of sects, many with major disagreements in basic doctrine, all of them can point to passages in the Bible that support their position.

And this is the best that this god can do?

Have his followers write this message down decades or more after the alleged events, on pieces of parchment (which he should know will be lost and decompose), in ancient languages (which he should now will die and be misinterpreted), only give it to a very small minority of the entire human population (which he should now would allow the majority of humanity to have a burden of cultural isolation, and create "false religions"), have them include obvious scientific, historical, and archeological inaccuracies... etc...

Yeah, not impressed....

(October 4, 2016 at 5:46 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:

(February 10, 2014 at 6:04 pm)KUSA Wrote: I pointed out that her Bible clearly states that it is an abomination.

No, it doesn't actually.

It actually does.

(October 4, 2016 at 6:29 pm)vorlon13 Wrote:

(April 29, 2016 at 3:53 pm)wiploc Wrote: You can't be a Christian unless you cherry-pick which parts you want to believe.  The bible is shot thru with contradictions.  If you read that god can do everything, and also that he can't defeat iron chariots, then you have to pick one or the other.  You can't believe both.

Atheists, on the other hand, can read the bible literally.  We can say, "That's a contradiction.  The bible has to be wrong about at least one of the two conflicting statements."

As an atheist, however, I can insist the christers witnessing the Word to me be of the stripe that do believe all the bible, contradictions and all.

That it is literally impossible is not my problem, it is theirs.

(October 4, 2016 at 7:27 pm)Lek Wrote:

(October 4, 2016 at 6:29 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: As an atheist, however, I can insist the christers witnessing the Word to me be of the stripe that do believe all the bible, contradictions and all.

That it is literally impossible is not my problem, it is theirs.

So, by your definition, in order to be a christian one must believe that everything in the bible is true in a wooden literal sense?

You know better than God Almighty which parts are and which parts aren't ??

I'm going to let you decide for me, at the risk of my possible Salvation ??

Or more correctly, I will accept witnessing from someone insufficiently imbued with the Holy Spirit so as to think of themselves as qualified to edit His Word ??

(October 4, 2016 at 7:29 pm)Lek Wrote: So, by your definition, in order to be a christian one must believe that everything in the bible is true in a wooden literal sense?

How do you go about telling the difference between the stuff that should be take literally, and the stuff that should not?

For every thing in the Bible that you think should not be taken as literal truth, there are individual Christians and entire sects of Christians that believe it should be taken as literal. And you have nothing more to support your opinion than they have. You are both pointing at the same texts. How do I, an outsider, tell who is correct?

How do you know that you are not misinterpreting some of the things god meant to be taken literally, as something else (metaphor, parable, etc)? And vis versa?

and that's how you get 70,000+ denominations and schisms