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Is there objective Truth?
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How could I know there's objective Truth, when I'm a purely subjective being?
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(October 13, 2016 at 9:22 pm)bennyboy Wrote: How could I know there's objective Truth, when I'm a purely subjective being?

Just because you interpret everything through your life doesn't mean what you observe is subjective. It just means your observations are subjective. The point here is that regardless of wether or not we percieve somthing to be a certain way, it remains true to it's objective nature.

We have collectively developed methods to observe and test the perceptions of the world around us, that is how you know.

Would you agree with this sir?
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(October 13, 2016 at 9:33 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote:
(October 13, 2016 at 9:22 pm)bennyboy Wrote: How could I know there's objective Truth, when I'm a purely subjective being?

Just because you interpret everything through your life doesn't mean what you observe is subjective. It just means your observations are subjective. The point here is that regardless of wether or not we percieve somthing to be a certain way, it remains true to it's objective nature.

We have collectively developed methods to observe and test the perceptions of the world around us, that is how you know.

Would you agree with this sir?

Nope.  A collection of subjective experiences, no matter how large the population, is not sufficient to establish objective Truth.

But I should qualify that.  I think even subjective experiences can be objectively true IN CONTEXT.  So whether we're in the Matrix or the Mind of God, it's objectively true that in the context of mundane life, there's an empty Vitamin Water bottle on my desk.  It's objectively true that I'm experiencing certain things-- no matter what anyone's opinion, even mine, I can say that I hear sound, and see things.

A transcendent objective truth-- for example, about the reality of whatever might underlie the framework we live in (be it God or a fractal set of nested multiverses that stretches in all directions in infinite complexity or whatever)-- i.e. the CONTEXT set by living as a human being, cannot be known true by us, for pretty obvious reasons.
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(October 13, 2016 at 9:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: If the answer is no, isn't that an objective answer? 

No. hehehehehe

It might be different if you said "absolutely no". But not really. See? It might be different if you said "absolutely no +1 more degree of no". But not really. See?
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental. 
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Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental. 
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Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental. 
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I believe that there are objective facts, such as the number of oranges in a particular bag from the supermarket.

Truth, however, I see as a sentient being's perception of those facts.  As it is limited by the perceptual abilities of the observer, it is by necessity subjective and provisional, incapable of becoming an absolute.
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