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(June 8, 2011 at 7:30 pm)Andrastos Wrote: Your soul needs a spirit body & physical body to experiance life!
spirit body & physical body are appendages of the Soul, like your arm is an appendage of your body!
just need to clear that up!
Complete rubbish. The soul is an ancient interpretation of what we now know is completely physical. The idea that the physical body is an appendage of the soul is just...well, silly.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
Okay so I actually skimmed the link a bit and the only basis the guy has for anything is, "God told me it's true." Never trust a person who claims to speak to God as that is the highest form of delusion a human being can have.
I was a bit curious as to what his definition of the soul was and here's the quote-
Quote:What is the Soul?
One secret to understanding God’s Universe is to understand the human soul The soul is NOT your physical body, nor your spiritual body (although many think differently)
The soul is the living, feeling, emotional, desiring, intentional, passionate heart of your true self The soul has sensory apparatus, passion, desire, emotion, feelings, aspirations, intentions, free will,
memory, personality, instinct, natural love, energy, appendages of the spirit body & physical body
Think of the soul as a container; an entity; full of experiences
Notice how he says the soul is not your physical body and then goes on to give it attributes we know require the physical body and are determined by brain structure and function. Please do not waste our time with any more incoherent, babbling drivel.
(June 8, 2011 at 9:16 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote:
(June 8, 2011 at 7:30 pm)Andrastos Wrote: Your soul needs a spirit body & physical body to experiance life!
spirit body & physical body are appendages of the Soul, like your arm is an appendage of your body!
just need to clear that up!
Complete rubbish. The soul is an ancient interpretation of what we now know is completely physical. The idea that the physical body is an appendage of the soul is just...well, silly.
1) A lot of people feel that the soul isn't just an abstract concept, Christians aren't alone in this. What excatly is known as completely physical?
2) Support your materialist view of the mind-brain concept if you can with definition and support please.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari
(June 9, 2011 at 4:26 am)tackattack Wrote: 1) A lot of people feel that the soul isn't just an abstract concept, Christians aren't alone in this. What excatly is known as completely physical?
2) Support your materialist view of the mind-brain concept if you can with definition and support please.
I define the soul as an entity with properties that are separate from the physical structure.
Here is a list of functions of the brain known to be purely physical-
Many of these things have been described as part of the soul, but could easily be altered by changing brain structure such as happened to Phineas Gage-
I have yet to hear any attribute of the psyche that could not be explained away by the physical process of the brain. Our memories, emotions, behavior, judgement, personality and so on, are all attributes given to the soul we now know are dependent on the physical structure of the brain.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
Just because they can be altered by physical manipulation does not mean they are totally dependant on the physical brain. The only way they could be expressed is if the brani is physically functioning. Mutability does not denote necessary full dependance.
I'll give you an easy example. You can look at your LCD screen. It's 1's and 0's processed by the LCD. You can wave a magnet (don't do it) over your LCD and change their appearance. It doesn't however affect how the LCD interprets teh 1's and 0's or the 1's and 0's themselves prior to their input to the LCD. The LCD though would be required to be on to notice those changes.
There's a difference between information housed in and information originating from the brain.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari
Each soul would be as distinct as a fingerprint. I also believe that they all start off as a generic, one size fits all soul (as Biblically defined as the breath of life or the breath of God).
To answer the clone question, I would say yes.
How is allocation made? IDK.
As far as the rest of your questions.. I belive you're just asking, in a very pedantic way, when do we get our soul.
There are several schools of thought. Some would say upon inception (read gamete fusion). Others upon first spark of electrical activity in the formed brain. Still others when there is identifiable consciousness. A much smaller school sa's it's upon the age of reason (around 7). I'm of the mind of the first group.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari
(June 9, 2011 at 7:04 am)tackattack Wrote: Each soul would be as distinct as a fingerprint. I also believe that they all start off as a generic, one size fits all soul (as Biblically defined as the breath of life or the breath of God).
To answer the clone question, I would say yes.
How is allocation made? IDK.
As far as the rest of your questions.. I belive you're just asking, in a very pedantic way, when do we get our soul.
There are several schools of thought. Some would say upon inception (read gamete fusion). Others upon first spark of electrical activity in the formed brain. Still others when there is identifiable consciousness. A much smaller school sa's it's upon the age of reason (around 7). I'm of the mind of the first group.
(June 9, 2011 at 6:47 am)tackattack Wrote: Just because they can be altered by physical manipulation does not mean they are totally dependant on the physical brain. The only way they could be expressed is if the brani is physically functioning. Mutability does not denote necessary full dependance.
I'll give you an easy example. You can look at your LCD screen. It's 1's and 0's processed by the LCD. You can wave a magnet (don't do it) over your LCD and change their appearance. It doesn't however affect how the LCD interprets teh 1's and 0's or the 1's and 0's themselves prior to their input to the LCD. The LCD though would be required to be on to notice those changes.
I fail to see the point of your analogy. Modifying brain structure would be more akin to altering the insides of the LCD, which would change the screen's ability to function.
tackattack Wrote:There's a difference between information housed in and information originating from the brain.
I agree, however, both of these are dictated by brain structure and neither require a soul.
Could you clarify your position on this issue by defining the soul as you see it, and describing attributes of the soul?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
(June 9, 2011 at 7:13 am)colubridae Wrote: How do you know?
He doesn't. He's most likely wrong.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
