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Trump won the white working-man vote..
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 (November 17, 2016 at 10:21 am)Faith No More Wrote:(November 17, 2016 at 9:53 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I think it may or may not be, personally. The protesting and accusation of them all being racist bigots isn't really helping the cause and will only continue to push these people further away. But on the other hand, Trump might be SO bad, that it forces people to the opposite side anyway. But that's the thing. Many of them DID have a problem with it. But when it came down to it, as much as they hated Trump, they hated Hillary more. And so the voted for Trump as an anti Hillary vote. I'm not saying I agree with their thought process, so I hope I don't get lectured for it. I'm just passing along what I heard from many people, and saying perhaps we shouldn't assume what they did and did not have a problem with.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh (November 17, 2016 at 10:29 am)Napoléon Wrote:(November 17, 2016 at 10:24 am)Faith No More Wrote: Right! If we don't tolerate neo-Nazis, it makes us just as bad as them! Nope.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh  (November 17, 2016 at 10:21 am)Faith No More Wrote:(November 17, 2016 at 9:53 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I think it may or may not be, personally. The protesting and accusation of them all being racist bigots isn't really helping the cause and will only continue to push these people further away. But on the other hand, Trump might be SO bad, that it forces people to the opposite side anyway. Another side of that to consider: A while back, a facebook friend was claiming that criticisms of Obama are racism. Meaning you can't disagree with Obamacare, with tax policy, with drone strikes, none of that, or you're racist. I don't think it's that they're really offended by being called bigots or racist anymore; I think that, when the left calls people racist, it's kinda starting to be ignored. The boy cried wolf one too many times and now nobody believes him, despite the fact that there are several very real wolves there that need to be dealt with.
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"If you cling to something as the absolute truth and you are caught in it, when the truth comes in person to knock on your door you will refuse to let it in." ~ Siddhartha Gautama RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 17, 2016 at 10:40 am
(This post was last modified: November 17, 2016 at 10:41 am by Catholic_Lady.)
Example:
My mom is EXTREMELY pro life. It was my aunt's pro life views that saved my older sister from being aborted when my mom got pregnant at 19 by a drug dealer abusive boyfriend, and everyone else in the family wanted my mom to abort her. Abortion is an extremely personal, and emotional thing for my mom. BUT, my mom voted for Hillary. Despite Hillary being super pro choice, even when it comes to late term abortions. Does that make my mom pro choice? Does that mean she "overlooked' an issue that is so close to her heart? Does that mean she agrees with Hillary on her views regarding this issue? No! My mom voted for Hillary because, as bad as she thought Hillary was, she thought Trump was worse. In her own words, she "voted anti Trump." ...It's the same way with many Trump voters, including my father who begrudgingly voted for him.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh 
No, but you see, your sister shouldn't have been born because she wasn't a person
...What?
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson (November 17, 2016 at 10:40 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Example: Moral of the story, when you start projecting and assuming you know the mind and heart of someone who voted for Trump or for Hillary, and then calling them racist/bigots or baby killers respectively, you are only marginalizing them. And they likely won't vote for your side the next time around.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
#liberaldogmabeatslogic
CL has a point anyone would acknowledge if not for the fact that they disagree with her because of other reasons... Ideological differences. I was pointing that out. Is it clearer now, mate? RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 17, 2016 at 11:01 am
(This post was last modified: November 17, 2016 at 11:01 am by The Grand Nudger.)
No one has to assume anything about a Trump voter. They voted trump. Whatever it is they rationalize their vote for, they still voted trump, who openly campaigned on bigotry and racism. Whatever they wanted to get that was part of his campaign not related to that, or whatever they wanted to avoid (say, some hillary)...the bigotry and racism was an acceptable trade off for it.
That's pretty damned bigoted, well and truly fucking racist.
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