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RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 17, 2016 at 11:21 am
(November 17, 2016 at 11:12 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't see why it's so impossible that a good person who is neither a bigot nor racist might hate Hillary more than they hate Trump. She has her own set of horribleness as well. And as I said, it goes both ways. Do people who vote for Hillary all condone in any way the corrupt things she did? Her lies? Her views on abortion? Acting above the law? As I have demonstrated by using my mother as an example, no.
Disliking a candidate a lot is never an excuse to give the other one a pass on calls for blatantly unconstitutional and bigoted measures.
You don't like Hillary? Don't vote for Hillary. And definitely don't use it as excuse to give a bigot a pass.
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RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 17, 2016 at 11:26 am
(November 17, 2016 at 11:21 am)Faith No More Wrote: (November 17, 2016 at 11:12 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't see why it's so impossible that a good person who is neither a bigot nor racist might hate Hillary more than they hate Trump. She has her own set of horribleness as well. And as I said, it goes both ways. Do people who vote for Hillary all condone in any way the corrupt things she did? Her lies? Her views on abortion? Acting above the law? As I have demonstrated by using my mother as an example, no.
Disliking a candidate a lot is never an excuse to give the other one a pass on calls for blatantly unconstitutional and bigoted measures.
You don't like Hillary? Don't vote for Hillary. And definitely don't use it as excuse to give a bigot a pass.
I agree, which is why I voted 3rd party, as you all know.
But that doesn't mean people who see it differently are not bothered by the worst things about the candidate they very begrudgingly voted for.
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RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 17, 2016 at 11:29 am
(November 17, 2016 at 10:29 am)Napoléon Wrote: (November 17, 2016 at 10:24 am)Faith No More Wrote: Right! If we don't tolerate neo-Nazis, it makes us just as bad as them!
#NazisArePeopleToo
Is every single person who voted Trump a neo-nazi?
A neo-nazi facilitator.
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RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 17, 2016 at 11:36 am
(November 17, 2016 at 11:19 am)vorlon13 Wrote: ![[Image: 1ebyn8.jpg]](https://i.imgflip.com/1ebyn8.jpg)
Lol, I remember that guy. Blast from the past.
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RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 17, 2016 at 11:43 am
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Potential Hillary voters did not need to see this creepazoid in the final days of the campaign.
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RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 17, 2016 at 11:48 am
(November 17, 2016 at 10:40 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Example:
My mom is EXTREMELY anti abortion. It was my aunt's pro life views that saved my older sister from being aborted when my mom got pregnant at 19 by a drug dealer abusive boyfriend, and everyone else in the family wanted my mom to abort her.
Abortion is an extremely personal, and emotional thing for my mom.
BUT, my mom voted for Hillary. Despite Hillary being super pro choice, even when it comes to late term abortions. Does that make my mom pro choice? Does that mean she "overlooked' an issue that is so close to her heart? Does that mean she agrees with Hillary on her views regarding this issue? No!
My mom voted for Hillary because, as bad as she thought Hillary was, she thought Trump was worse. In her own words, she "voted anti Trump."
...It's the same way with many Trump voters, including my father who begrudgingly voted for him.
Get your terminology straight. If your mother were truly pro life then she would have no problem with allowing other women to do what they want with their bodies. Instead she wants them to be forced to carry foetuses to term even if it'll kill them.
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RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 17, 2016 at 11:49 am
(November 17, 2016 at 9:37 am)abaris Wrote: (November 17, 2016 at 9:01 am)Kosh Wrote: As I alluded to in a different thread. Many/Most of this group are the same people that for years have been railing against the poor for using any sort of welfare security net to help them get by and improve their situation. You know the group, "pull yourself up by your bootstraps". Now they bitch and moan that the economy, society, the world has passed them by. Unemployment is low, yet they lack the skills nor the will to achieve the skills needed to get a better paying job. They want their coal mining, street sweeping, snow plowing, assembly line, and foundry jobs back.
But there's a direct line between the tea party and someone like Trump winning. The far right has managed to instrumentalise the disenfranchised for their needs. It was even more bizarre with the Tea Party, given who stood behind that so called movement. It was billionaires, who wouldn't even wipe their asses with one of their recruits. And all these people went willing against their own interests.
I totally agree with you. My parents took advantage of the affordable health act to get insurance rates at a much lower rate than they could have otherwise. My step father collected unemployment longer after unemployment benefits were extended back in 2010.
Due to his farming being somewhat seasonal, he had a factory job that he did when he had time. It was called a flex position. He could literally call in the day before his shift and tell them he wasn't coming in.
The factory ended that shift and he collected unemployment as long as he could. It's only welfare or socialists programs whe someone else is benefiting.
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RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 17, 2016 at 11:52 am
(November 17, 2016 at 11:36 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (November 17, 2016 at 11:19 am)vorlon13 Wrote:
Lol, I remember that guy. Blast from the past.
My Vorlon associate is infatuated with emails and weiners. I believe he is Ulkesh.
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RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 17, 2016 at 11:55 am
(November 17, 2016 at 11:13 am)Faith No More Wrote: So what, we just stay silent and ignore the racial aspect of the election?
That seems to be the narrative. Wouldn't wanna hurt a racists feelings, or the feelings of someone who happens to love a racist or two. That's the real sin, not the racism...that's okay now, as our election should make plainly clear to all of us. That's the new normal. We need to move past objecting and start pandering, lol.
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RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 17, 2016 at 11:58 am
(November 17, 2016 at 11:21 am)Faith No More Wrote: (November 17, 2016 at 11:12 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't see why it's so impossible that a good person who is neither a bigot nor racist might hate Hillary more than they hate Trump. She has her own set of horribleness as well. And as I said, it goes both ways. Do people who vote for Hillary all condone in any way the corrupt things she did? Her lies? Her views on abortion? Acting above the law? As I have demonstrated by using my mother as an example, no.
Disliking a candidate a lot is never an excuse to give the other one a pass on calls for blatantly unconstitutional and bigoted measures.
You don't like Hillary? Don't vote for Hillary. And definitely don't use it as excuse to give a bigot a pass.
Voting third party in a POTUS race is the same as voting for the person you like the least.
When I got my ballot this time around, you know how many third party candidates there were other than Johnson and Stein for President?
None. Not a single one in a state or local race. And now the third parties are going to take their three year vacation from the face of the earth until they self-righteously return to siphon off votes from whomever it is that's running against Herr Drumpf.
A vote for President is also a vote for the makeup of the Supreme Court, which can mean a vote that lasts for decades. So it doesn't matter if you don't like the candidate, you can look at their basic ideals and see how law of the land lawmaking is going to go because of their time in office. Now Trump is going to pick at least one, and maybe as many as three SCOTUS justices. And look who he's surrounded himself with.
That's what third party voting helped accomplish this election.
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