(November 18, 2016 at 10:27 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(November 17, 2016 at 4:33 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: I gotta say, this FADA looks really horrendous... it's going to give anyone, anywhere the right to discriminate against others for just about anything.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...roids.html

Of course, you know it will pass.  And once it does, how long do you think it will take before some business owners, primarily in the South, start claiming that allowing minorities in their stores goes against their religion?  It won't be long before we start seeing "WHITES ONLY" signs again.

It won't withstand SCOTUS review, given precedent.

I'm not so sure after Trump nominates a conservative justice and the Senate confirms them.

(November 18, 2016 at 11:41 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(November 18, 2016 at 11:28 am)Drich Wrote: That's the thing doom-mas I can refuse to serve anyone I choose to for any reason I want. I have done work for gay people even a gay night club, but I also have refused to work on some 'cigarette's" truck because he was just an abusive asshole. He tried to make it about being him being gay I told him to go pound a chocolate based confectionery.

Bolded mine.  No...you really can't.

...Actually sport kinda do and can. Legally.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/inde.../0509.html

As a private enterprise I can refuse service to any A-hole I deem fit/unfit.

(November 18, 2016 at 12:42 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote:

(November 18, 2016 at 10:27 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: It won't withstand SCOTUS review, given precedent.

I'm not so sure after Trump nominates a conservative justice and the Senate confirms them.

Remember, Scalia was on the court when gay marriage bans were stricken. This one appointment will not change that dynamic. It's the two he'll possibly get later that will be the killers.

That's why 2018 is so important. A Democrat Senate is vital to preventing this backslide.

(November 18, 2016 at 11:10 am)Drich Wrote: [...] and this country has been at war with an Asian country for more that [sic] 75 years.

I will say I believe that the proposed legislation is not necessary. The government does not need to protect a religious belief(s) any more that any other belief. Or to protect the "persons" ability to apply/in force that belief to others.

(November 18, 2016 at 1:07 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(November 18, 2016 at 12:42 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: I'm not so sure after Trump nominates a conservative justice and the Senate confirms them.

Remember, Scalia was on the court when gay marriage bans were stricken. This one appointment will not change that dynamic. It's the two he'll possibly get later that will be the killers.

That's why 2018 is so important. A Democrat Senate is vital to preventing this backslide.

That said, the two most senior judges are also fairly conservative; hopefully, RBG and Breyer drop off after Kennedy and Thomas... of course, knowing Trump's ruthlessness, I wouldn't put it past him to have them killed. This quote doesn't help:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMmiLWDpCno

(November 18, 2016 at 11:10 am)Drich Wrote: By minority I assume you mean every other race besides black people right? Because wasn't it the government that enslaved and brought in S-SA? Wasn't it the government who tried to ship them all back to Africa and south America? wasn't it the government segregated the black community from every other group?

If you honestly frame the role government has had on black people in history it is a good thing that the government is backing off.

Just look at EVERYOTHER Minority group in this country. What groups have had so much governmental control over them and at the same time what other minority group has done so poorly than black people in America?

I can't speak for every Asian, but as a whole, they/we do not need any special dispensation and this country has been at war with an Asian country for more that 75 years. So if there were a truly hated people/enemy of America in the last century 3/4 of it was spent killing Asians and asians killing americans, What other group has america deployed nuclear weapons on? And yet 'most' asians accel in this country. The same is true for middle easterners and even to a lessor extent (as far as rage/hate is concern) Latinos.

IF Asians made it in America (After being stripped of land, homes and possessions, then held in concentration camps during WWII) unless the government restrict you there is no reason you can not make it here.

**Yet according to you, black people can't succeed unless they are propped up by the government? That's BS. One of two things is happening here. ALL Black people inferior (which I do not believe to be the case, as my business advisor/mentor and best friend/Doctor two of the smartest people I know are Black,) or it is the government intervention in their social structure (good or bad) that has kept this race from coming into it's own. The (Why should I do... When the gub-ment will do for me.) attitude that is killing a whole generation of people's self worth and determination.

get rid of that BS and give men GOOD Jobs, then like the asian americans put into camps, allow them the time to rebuild their culture and values.

Oh, yeah, comparing the plight of blacks and other minorities is totally valid.  It's not like blacks were the only minority to be declared 3/5 of a person in our constitution.  It's not like blacks were the majority of slaves.  It's not like the Jim Crow laws targeted blacks specifically.  It's not like the C.I.A. introduced crack into black neighborhoods to fund their South American adventures.  It's not like the poor black neighborhoods have extremely underfunded schools.

If only they could be more like those awesome Asians.

**Way to bastardize my point. I'm saying the government has to step in to force assholes such as yourself to treat them equally.

(November 18, 2016 at 1:40 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: I will say I believe that the proposed legislation is not necessary. The government does not need to protect a religious belief(s) any more that any other belief. Or to protect the "persons" ability to apply/in force that belief to others.

True, but this law is not about protecting religious beliefs.  It's about protecting religious bigotry and persecution.

(November 18, 2016 at 3:09 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: True, but this law is not about protecting religious beliefs.  It's about protecting religious bigotry and persecution.

Based on a belief.

Didn't you know? The 1950s were the good old days.