(November 18, 2016 at 5:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: You're killin me, smalls. Muslim isn't a race, it's a religion. Not saying it's any less ridiculous to ban them/register them though.

That's why I said "bigotry" in the last sentence, not "racism."

Regardless, your point is meaningless.

(November 18, 2016 at 5:56 pm)abaris Wrote:

(November 18, 2016 at 5:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: You're killin me, smalls. Muslim isn't a race, it's a religion. Not saying it's any less ridiculous to ban them/register them though.

Please don't go down there either. What would you think of the statement "total and complete shutdown of the entry of Jews to the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."

Do you feel comfortable in using the old weasel argument of X or Y not being a race? By now you should know how much I despise X or Y are not a race, if you read any of my posts on the matter.

I don't see what the problem is for pointing out the fact that Muslim is not a race. I went to my Muslim friend's wedding a year ago, and there were a few Caucasian Muslims there, including the Imam himself. And on the other hand, there are plenty of Arab Christians. 

I said "it doesn't make it any less ridiculous to ban them/register them though." And yes, I say the same thing about Jews. It's a religion not a race, but that doesn't make it any more ok to discriminate against them.

(November 18, 2016 at 6:00 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Regardless, your point is meaningless.

Weasel 1.01. From an unexpected corner, far as I am concerned.

(November 18, 2016 at 6:01 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't see what the problem is for pointing out the fact that Muslim is not a race. I went to my Muslim friend's wedding a year ago, and there were a few Caucasian Muslims there, including the Imam himself. And on the other hand, there are plenty of Arab Christians.

I said "it doesn't make it any less ridiculous to ban them/register them though." And yes, I say the same thing about Jews. It's a religion not a race, but that doesn't make it any more ok to discriminate against them.

And you don't even notice what I meant by apathy earlier on. Well, one never learns. I start to agree with Faith. It's tiring. Obviously there's a sufficient amount of pople being that complacent that not even the most outrageous comments can give them pause.

The irony of "not all" when arguing support for something, is actually lost on all sides and they all do it.

The right will put down the Muslim argument "not all" and rightfully say that is not an excuse. "Clean your own house" is the intent. Where it goes wrong is it should be countered with "No, not all are, but it only takes just enough".

It only takes enough right wingers in any religion to hold the rest of that society hostage. So when conservative Christians or moderates say "I don't support Trump's language" fine, but if you don't condemn him, you cannot expect others not to point that fact out. Trump is only one man but people do listen to him and his lack of civility may be fine for Jerry Springer, but in politics it draws flies, and now he is putting those flies in his cabinet.

I am being totally consistent in saying Trump is not a left or right or economic issue at this point. He has set a very dangerous tone.

(November 18, 2016 at 5:39 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Anyone that votes for a man that called for a national registry of Muslims needs to understand that they are now an accomplice to hatred and bigotry whether it hurts their feelings or not.

Kind of macabre that we find ourselvs in this situation, really.  We're sitting here discussing our bigoted president and the people who -made- him president, worrying about their feelings.  

Well, it isn't their feelings I'd worry about............

(November 18, 2016 at 6:00 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

(November 18, 2016 at 5:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: You're killin me, smalls. Muslim isn't a race, it's a religion. Not saying it's any less ridiculous to ban them/register them though.

That's why I said "bigotry" in the last sentence, not "racism."

Regardless, your point is meaningless.

My apologies, I thought I saw racism in there somewhere when you were talking about the Muslim thing. 

And yeah, it makes no difference, as I said so myself, in terms of how wrong it is to discriminate someone based on their religious beliefs. It's just a huge pet peeve of mine when people refer to Muslim as a race. Just sounds ignorant and very typical American.

I didn't realize it was also politically incorrect to point out that Muslim is a religion not a race, but not surprised I guess. I won't do it anymore.

(November 18, 2016 at 6:06 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: And yeah, it makes no difference, as I said so myself, in terms of how wrong it is to discriminate someone based on their religious beliefs. It's just a huge pet peeve of mine when people refer to Muslim as a race. Just sounds ignorant and very typical American.

No, it doesn't sound ignorant because the same sentiment is behind it. Regardless if someone hates muslims, jews, Mexicans or cyclists. It's always the same primitive instinct of hating the other. That's not a pet peeve -pardon my french - that's mirror jerking over semantics.

(November 18, 2016 at 6:08 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I didn't realize it was also politically incorrect to point out that Muslim is a religion not a race, but not surprised I guess. I won't do it anymore.

Then you will be perfectly fine in president elect's new republic, since he promised to end political correctness.

(November 18, 2016 at 6:09 pm)abaris Wrote:

(November 18, 2016 at 6:06 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: And yeah, it makes no difference, as I said so myself, in terms of how wrong it is to discriminate someone based on their religious beliefs. It's just a huge pet peeve of mine when people refer to Muslim as a race. Just sounds ignorant and very typical American.

No, it doesn't sound ignorant because the same sentiment is behind it. Regardless if someone hates muslims, jews, Mexicans or cyclists. It's always the same primitive instinct of hating the other. That's not a pet peeve -pardon my french - that's mirror jerking over semantics.

And as I've repeated 3 times now, I do think it's just as wrong to discriminate based on religious beliefs as it is to discriminate based on race. The fact that I'm pointing out that Muslim is a religion, does not diminish how wrong it is to discriminate against them. My sentiments are the same as yours. 

Holy moly.   

As for whether or not it sounds ignorant to refer to a religious belief as a race, well we'll just have to disagree on that.

(November 18, 2016 at 6:15 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: As for whether or not it sounds ignorant to refer to a religious belief as a race, well we'll just have to disagree on that.

As I said before, we don't make that distinction. With good reason as it seems. The english language opens up just too many rat holes to retreat behind when challenged.

I never would have expected you using that kind of argument. Repeating it a thousand times doesn't change the fact that you stooped to that level as well.