(November 18, 2016 at 6:28 pm)abaris Wrote:

(November 18, 2016 at 6:24 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Well that's not what I was doing, since I made it very clear that I agree with your sentiments on it.

And yet you felt like going down that road too. Well, it's kind of horrible, but X, Y or Z is not a race. Does that sound correct?

I don't even know what you mean by "going that road too." 

Honestly, take me as I am and take me for my word. Don't stonewall me or put me into a box based on what others may have done, and group me in with them. 

Also, I never said "it's kind of horrible." I think it's awful and I'm completely opposed.

(November 18, 2016 at 6:20 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(November 18, 2016 at 6:09 pm)abaris Wrote: Then you will be perfectly fine in president elect's new republic, since he promised to end political correctness.

Wow, ok then. Holy crap. Apparently all you have to do is say "Muslim is a religion not a race" while still completely disagreeing with their discrimination, and you're already called out as a Trump supporter of some sort.

See, this right here is the problem. If anyone dare say anything even remotely veering off course of the liberal narrative, even if it's a fact, such as "Muslim is a religion not a race", you get shut down and put into a box.

Way to miss the point. Neither "Muslim" or "Jew" or "Christian" or "Hindu" or "Buddhist" or even "atheist" are a bloodline. Those are constructs people mostly get sold to by their parents at birth. People worldwide also leave one label for another in all directions.

BUT, that does not negate the reality that racism itself is still a very real thing and religion is the root to what drives it IN ALL DIRECTIONS. 

Jews were wrongfully targeted by a white Christian German majority and slaughtered to the tune of 6 million. But today's Jews in Israel DO see not only Jews as a race but Muslims as a race, and that intent for good or bad is what causes them to be divided. The liberal Muslims and Jews call it a race, or ethnic or culture, but all that is is a doge for both sides to avoid what is really causing it, religion itself.

The haters use those words too, race, culture ethnic on the right, the right wing Muslims, and right wing Jews and use it to create "otherism" to justify harm to their fellow humans.

No religion in the world is a race or ethnic or culture, and especially not a bloodline. If one were bound to a label by blood it would be physically impossible to leave that label. Our facial features and skin tones are a result of evolution. So it is stupid to equate any religion to a bloodline. I have seen people of all labels leave that club for another or none at all. But again, that does not magically mean racism isn't a real thing. It is unfortunately and religion is the biggest driver of it. Liberals are simiply the empathetic side of the coin, and conservatives are the selfish side of the coin, but both hide behind religion to excuse racism.

(November 18, 2016 at 6:31 pm)abaris Wrote:

(November 18, 2016 at 6:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: The post where I pointed this out was not argumentative or angry. Thus my saying "you're killin me smalls." It was supposed to be a little bit of a tease. That's it.

You're making the perfect asshole's case and you don't even notice. That's not a tease, if you followed what is going on. It's simply defending bigots taking that semantic road out of taking responsibility. That's what I meant by apathy and complecency.

This is what I said to FNM:

(November 18, 2016 at 5:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: You're killin me, smalls. Muslim isn't a race, it's a religion. Not saying it's any less ridiculous to ban them/register them though.

And yes, it was supposed to be a bit of a tease. I wasn't trying to argue with him or his point. You're the one freaking out over semantics, not me. I'm sorry you're so quick to dismiss me and take that comment as me defending bigots.

(November 18, 2016 at 6:40 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: And yes, it was supposed to be a bit of a tease. I wasn't trying to argue with him or his point. You're the one freaking out over semantics, not me. I'm sorry you're so quick to dismiss me and take that comment as me defending bigots.

Does that make it any better in your opinion? I'm not saying it's good, but X, Y or Z isn't a race ....

Standard argument.

As usual, you're not defending bigots. You're just making their often repeated case. Obviously without even noticing. That's a tease?

......there's a disturbing trend, developing, where purportedly non bigoted people keep saying exactly the same things the bigots keep saying.  

Which, if we grant the generous reading, might mean something far worse than we previously thought.  "Non-bigoted" people have been so effectively coopted by a certain narrative that they don't even realize that it's happened.  That, despite not being bigots themselves, they talk and act (and, apparently....vote) like one.  They field their questions, their objections, they refer to their problems as though they were legitimate issues.

Then, after this, they respond to our gape jawed amazement....with seemingly genuine bewilderment.

Maybe there;s something about coming from a "post racism" generation or area or household that makes it difficult for these people to identify it when it crosses or even falls into their orbits. Not familiar, and therefore unaware?

Even though there are an alarmingly large number of muslims who believe that death should be the punishment for apostasy, that gays should be killed, that sharia law should be implemented in the western world, etc. etc. you can't just 'ban' an entire group of people from entering our country. It sounds very simple and effective but it's not.

Also putting a ban on muslims is like a few steps away from having internment camps for all Middle Eastern people.

(November 18, 2016 at 6:47 pm)abaris Wrote:

(November 18, 2016 at 6:40 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: And yes, it was supposed to be a bit of a tease. I wasn't trying to argue with him or his point. You're the one freaking out over semantics, not me. I'm sorry you're so quick to dismiss me and take that comment as me defending bigots.

Does that make it any better in your opinion? I'm not saying it's good, but X, Y or Z isn't a race ....

Why don't you quote what I actually said? You keep trying to construct it in a way that makes it sound like I'm kind of okaish with it. 

"I'm not saying it's not bad, but....." 

I mean, really? Those weren't the words I used. Neither are they representative of my sentiments.    

Quote:Standard argument.

As usual, you're not defending bigots. You're just making their often repeated case. Obviously without even noticing. That's a tease?

Again, it wasn't meant to be an argument. Yeah, it was supposed to be a bit of a tease. Hence the "you're killin me smalls."

(November 18, 2016 at 6:53 pm)operator Wrote: Even though there are an alarmingly large number of muslims who believe that death should be the punishment for apostasy, that gays should be killed, that sharia law should be implemented in the western world, etc. etc. you can't just 'ban' an entire group of people from entering our country. It sounds very simple and effective but it's not.

Also putting a ban on muslims is like a few steps away from having internment camps for all Middle Eastern people.

That, and most of the Muslims who are here/want to come here aren't the ones who believe those things.

(November 18, 2016 at 6:55 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(November 18, 2016 at 6:47 pm)abaris Wrote: Does that make it any better in your opinion? I'm not saying it's good, but X, Y or Z isn't a race ....

Why don't you quote what I actually said? You keep trying to construct it in a way that makes it sound like I'm kind of okaish with it. 

"I'm not saying it's not bad, but....." 

I mean, really? Those weren't the words I used. Neither are they representative of my sentiments.    

Quote:Standard argument.

As usual, you're not defending bigots. You're just making their often repeated case. Obviously without even noticing. That's a tease?

Again, it wasn't meant to be an argument. Yeah, it was supposed to be a bit of a tease. Hence the "you're killin me smalls."

Ironically enough, the reason why referring to Muslim discrimination as "racism" is a pet peeve of mine is precisely because it makes people on my side of the argument sound dumb. It gives the opposing side ammo and an excuse to call us ignorant and not take us seriously. I don't want that. And here I am being attacked for it by the very people who's side I'm on in the first place.

(November 18, 2016 at 6:24 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Well that's not what I was doing, since I made it very clear that I agree with your sentiments on it.

I didn't say that's what you were doing. I was just pointing out why people roll their eyes at that statement.