(November 28, 2016 at 8:37 pm)Bella Morte Wrote:

(November 28, 2016 at 8:31 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: @Bella: Weak, weak stuff.

Just stating a fact.

Not my fault it triggers you.

Lol, trolling should never be this transparent. Trai moar.

(November 28, 2016 at 9:27 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(November 28, 2016 at 8:37 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Just stating a fact.

Not my fault it triggers you.

Lol, trolling should never be this transparent. Trai moar.

I am not trolling.

(November 28, 2016 at 8:44 pm)Aegon Wrote:

(November 28, 2016 at 8:37 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Just stating a fact.

Not my fault it triggers you.

You always like to skid the line between discussion and trolling, don't you?

Nah, she simply lacks the talent to walk it finely.

(November 28, 2016 at 7:10 pm)Aegon Wrote:

(November 28, 2016 at 7:08 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I don't think white privilege means what you think it means.

I know what it means. I'm talking about how a sizable portion of young liberals use it. I've had my opinion on Trump's election shut down on social media because as a white male, my "privilege is showing." It's another way of stopping a healthy dialogue.

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(November 28, 2016 at 7:09 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: White privilege isn't real.

I disagree completely. It certainly exists, as does other sorts of privileges. The problem lies in using it to shut up people you don't agree with, which is how it is constantly used.

This 100%, I completely agree.

I oppose The online Left's trigger-happy misuse of these concepts, just to call people they disagree with names to shut down a conversation. That doesn't mean I don't think these concepts exist at all, or that I support Trump and this opportunistic alt-Right. I hate both, I oppose both. Yes you can be against both at once, in fact we all should because both sides play into eachother.

The main problem is that so many people have developed attitudes of extremes. Take any social issue, like racism, and you're caught between "everything is racist and white people are racist just for opening their mouths", and at the other end, "racism does not exist at all and black people need to get over it". Both view points are completely shallow and lack critical thought. As always, there's a sensible nuanced middle ground between the two that's drowned out by screaming extremes.

(November 28, 2016 at 9:28 pm)Bella Morte Wrote:

(November 28, 2016 at 9:27 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Lol, trolling should never be this transparent. Trai moar.

I am not trolling.

I'm left to think, then, that you truly are this vapid.

"White privilege", the idea that white people are inherently privileged is like saying Black people are inherently criminals. I'll let the reader decide whether the notion is blatantly racist or not.

(November 28, 2016 at 9:50 pm)pool the great Wrote: "White privilege", the idea that white people are inherently privileged is like saying Black people are inherently criminals. I'll let the reader decide whether the notion is blatantly racist or not.

I don't know where you got the idea that privilege is "inherent". Perhaps you could quote the post saying that?

(November 29, 2016 at 1:53 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(November 28, 2016 at 9:50 pm)pool the great Wrote: "White privilege", the idea that white people are inherently privileged is like saying Black people are inherently criminals. I'll let the reader decide whether the notion is blatantly racist or not.

I don't know where you got the idea that privilege is "inherent". Perhaps you could quote the post saying that?

So you're saying they are not inherent? As in people had to actually work for them? Doesn't quite make it a privilege if they had to work for it, now does it?

(November 28, 2016 at 9:49 am)A Theist Wrote: Yup, definitely ended up being a good year. Trump beat Hillary. Republicans are the majority in both houses of Congress, and Ohio State beat Michigan 30-27. Yup, ended up being a good year...except for all the crying from the crazy left.

This^ is the level of discourse among most conservatives. 

Information hating, fact despising, non-intellectuals. 

There used to be actual intellectual conservatives. You might not have agreed with them, but they could make good arguments for a lot of issues. Now there's Trump, who's legitimized name calling and made it not just okay, but desirable to be an utter ignoramus. 

Trump's gonna make America great again? 

How? 

Fuck if anyone knows. And what's even worse, fuck if his followers care. It's a goddamn tantrum writ large.

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(November 28, 2016 at 5:01 pm)Aegon Wrote: Jesster
I always love it when I hear this argument. It's ignoring the fact that most people are like this regardless of political leanings. But hey, it's far more fun to point fingers.

Yes and no. When it comes to politics, people are generally not very open-minded, regardless of their ideology. I'm sure there are studies confirming this, but I don't have the time to do the research. However, there is the idea among modern American liberals that certain ideas should be instantly shut down. For example, there has been a prevailing liberal rhetoric that any criticism against the religion of Islam or the practices of Muslim-majority countries is "Islamophobic," even when the criticism has merit. For that reason, "political correctness" is preventing a legitimate dialogue about Islam from forming. Another example could be the idea that racism only exists when white people do it, which ties into the concept of "white privilege," which claims that only minorities have the right to have opinions on certain social and cultural issues. These are regressive ideals and they go against the roots of true liberalism.

Very true. The problem is that we have to put up with that bullshit because the GOP is so many orders of magnitude worse. I can put up with the irritant of political correctness because at the end of the day it makes absolutely no difference in my life good or bad. So that's the tradeoff: a few pet social annoyances or TRUMP.

(November 29, 2016 at 3:24 am)pool the great Wrote:

(November 29, 2016 at 1:53 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I don't know where you got the idea that privilege is "inherent". Perhaps you could quote the post saying that?

So you're saying they are not inherent? As in people had to actually work for them? Doesn't quite make it a privilege if they had to work for it, now does it?

First of all, if - in your opinion - a privilege, that is not inherent, is not a privilege - then why do you need to use the expression "inherent privilege", as opposed to just "privilege", hmm? Nobody says "unmarried bachelor", do they. Because a bachelor, who's married is no longer a bachelor. But a privilege doesn't have to be inherent.

Secondly, of course white people had to "work for it", doofus - what do you think has been happening over the past few millennia? History happened to play out in such a way, that various members of Caucasian race dominated a whole lot of other peoples. And even if that dominance has receded a bit, since the times of colonial empires of Europe - the effects of it are still present and will be for a time to come.