Just in response to the OP, you don't have to be a leftist to be dismayed at a Trump presidency.

(November 29, 2016 at 3:24 am)pool the great Wrote:

(November 29, 2016 at 1:53 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I don't know where you got the idea that privilege is "inherent". Perhaps you could quote the post saying that?

So you're saying they are not inherent? As in people had to actually work for them? Doesn't quite make it a privilege if they had to work for it, now does it?

Why don't you go look up the word "inherent" and get back to me? Something that is inherent is an essential characteristic -- it inheres in a person or thing. No one said that white privilege is inherent. That was simply you practicing sloppy thinking ... as usual.

White privilege is a social phenomenon here in America. It is not inherent in whites. It is a result of whites being in power in this society for centuries.

(November 29, 2016 at 11:46 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(November 29, 2016 at 3:24 am)pool the great Wrote: So you're saying they are not inherent? As in people had to actually work for them? Doesn't quite make it a privilege if they had to work for it, now does it?

Why don't you go look up the word "inherent" and get back to me? Something that is inherent is an essential characteristic -- it inheres in a person or thing. No one said that white privilege is inherent. That was simply you practicing sloppy thinking ... as usual.

White privilege is a social phenomenon here in America. It is not inherent in whites. It is a result of whites being in power in this society for centuries.

I'm sure there would be lots of areas in life where whites would be more "privileged" than blacks and other areas where blacks would be more "privileged" than whites. It's just nature. We just have to deal with it.

"White privilege" is nonsensical, maybe you mean the "Halo effect" but that's a far cry from "White privilege". If you still insist on the notion I have but one question for you:

Does white privilege apply to blacks that perform plastic surgery to look white?

If you answer yes, you're probably just a racist because of your prejudice.

If you answer no, your premise crumbles down into cheetos.

(November 29, 2016 at 1:37 pm)pool the great Wrote: I'm sure there would be lots of areas in life where whites would be more "privileged" than blacks and other areas where blacks would be more "privileged" than whites. It's just nature. We just have to deal with it.

The thing is that because America has been ruled by whites for centuries, there's a distinct imbalance in both the breadth and depth of the privileging between the two races (and there are, of course, other races). That is the point of making white privilege an issue: to point out the inequity of privileges between the races with the goal of ameliorating if not eliminating them.

(November 29, 2016 at 1:37 pm)pool the great Wrote: "White privilege" is nonsensical, maybe you mean the "Halo effect" but that's a far cry from "White privilege". If you still insist on the notion I have but one question for you:

Does white privilege apply to blacks that perform plastic surgery to look white?

I've never heard of skin-replacement. Could you actually point to a real-world example?

(November 29, 2016 at 1:37 pm)pool the great Wrote: If you answer yes, you're probably just a racist because of your prejudice.

If you answer no, your premise crumbles down into cheetos.

And what if my answer is, you're trying to deny a reality with a hypothetical? Because that's what you're doing. White privilege is a result of the interaction between race and the racial attitudes of society at large. I know that's a little more complex than you'd like to address, but them's the facts.

Meh, forget it, you're hopeless.

(November 29, 2016 at 1:37 pm)pool the great Wrote:

(November 29, 2016 at 11:46 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Why don't you go look up the word "inherent" and get back to me? Something that is inherent is an essential characteristic -- it inheres in a person or thing. No one said that white privilege is inherent. That was simply you practicing sloppy thinking ... as usual.

White privilege is a social phenomenon here in America. It is not inherent in whites. It is a result of whites being  in power in this society for centuries.

I'm sure there would be lots of areas in life where whites would be more "privileged" than blacks and other areas where blacks would be more "privileged" than whites. It's just nature. We just have to deal with it.

"White privilege" is nonsensical, maybe you mean the "Halo effect" but that's a far cry from "White privilege". If you still insist on the notion I have but one question for you:

Does white privilege apply to blacks that perform plastic surgery to look white?

If you answer yes, you're probably just a racist because of your prejudice.

If you answer no, your premise crumbles down into cheetos.

You don't understand the concept of white privilege. It's not as simple as skin color. We're talking about urban centers made up of minorities who are stuck in a cycle of poverty because the government has systematically targeted them. Nixon's War on Drugs policy was made purposely to put black people in prison, that much isn't up for dispute. His own aide admitted it. And the evidence is staggering: 14 million white people report illicit drug use, compared to 2 million black people, yet black people are sent to prison at 10 times the rate of white people for non-violent drug crimes. White people are also more likely to get lighter sentences for the exact same non-violent crimes. Keeping with the topic of law enforcement, police are more likely to "stop and frisk" minorities, even though white people are more likely to possess contraband. Police are also much more likely to shoot young black men in custody as opposed to young white men...blacks make up 12 percent of the American population, but account for over 30 percent of deaths via police (I know what you're thinking, but over a third of them were not resisting in any way. But even then, white men are less likely to be killed even when resisting.)

The reason white privilege is an important concept under a Trump presidency is because of the surge in hate crimes. It is an observable trend; people think it is okay to discriminate or commit hate crimes now that Donald Trump is going to be POTUS, because of his careless rhetoric. Here's the BBC report that actually just came out discussing the Soutern Povery Law Center's research on the matter. I have minority friends who are afraid for their well-being now, because where they live there is a serious amount of racism that has been masked until now. The fact that white people do not need to worry about this is an example of privilege. 

White privilege doesn't say that white people can't face discrimination or that they can't face certain socio-economic issues that minorities also face. It says that Western civilization has historically and systematically discriminated against minorities, and the effects are still felt today. There is more than what I said, but I don't have time to do all the research for you.

I wouldn't waste your time Aegon. This isn't the first time this issue has been hard for Pool.

Just because slavery was abolished, segregation was ended and a black man was elected President, it doesn't mean there isn't work to be done.

And that applies across the entire spectrum of race, gender, sexuality and so on, all around the world. To deny its existence is folly.

(November 29, 2016 at 3:35 pm)pool the great Wrote: Meh, forget it, you're hopeless.

"Chuck me into shallow water, before I get too deep ..."

As for the OP, I daresay....



I bet he's touching himself over so many people getting all worked up over his shitpost.