Oh, you have an opinion. That's nice.

(December 5, 2016 at 1:49 pm)Iroscato Wrote: Ridiculous.

History has countless examples of the movements of significant numbers of people from one country to the next, and somehow the human race endured. America itself was literally founded by religious immigrants who were seeking a new life away to spread their own brand of religious oppression.
The world is much smaller than we like to admit. And the thought that a government can agree to bomb the shit out of a country, and then refuse to accept the inevitable flow of people looking to escape said bombing of said country, disgusts me to my core.

There, fixed that for you.

Quote:America itself was literally founded by religious immigrants who were seeking a new life away from oppression.

I know that is what it says in the text books but the fact is that the handful of colonies which were religiously based merely wanted to be free to oppress others who disagreed with their particular variant of jesusism.

The rest of the colonies were founded as commercial enterprises.

I think my daughter had a good response to this, when someone argued something similar.

She said that we should take in refugees, because we hope that someone else would do the same for us if the worst came to it, and we needed someone to care for us and our families. That we'd hope they wouldn't turn us away because where we're from, for our political beliefs, or because of our values. We should look for the best in people, not the worst. We should put people first--regardless of where they're from.

Meh. We have arabic speaking people that moved into the house behind us 8 months ago. The dad only speaks broken english and I don't exactly know where they are from, maybe they don't want me to know. Grandma and grandpa wave at me each day. The wife (at least I think it's wife) never leaves the house/yard and is always dressed in pajama pants. People come and live with them for a month or two and leave again. So far, no better or worse than any other neighbor. Just a little weird. Better than the old fuck that floods my back yard every spring or the druggie family on the corner.

(December 5, 2016 at 2:16 pm)Macoleco Wrote:

(December 5, 2016 at 1:57 pm)Faith No More Wrote: If what happens in Syria isn't your problem, why would you send them food and water?

I would help them but not let them in

Well, then someone else will either let them in, or take over their war-torn country and use its resources and its population to build their own military power (*cough*Russia). And few years, or decades down the line - you might be facing the same dark-skinned people - not as helpless refugees, but as soldiers and terrorists, perhaps armed with nukes, taught to hate your guts. You think you're scared of them now? If you had some imagination and knowledge of history and if you cared aboutr the future of your children, you'd realize, that Earth is not a very big planet and that it's important to think about long term consequences of decisions.

It is easy to speak when you are not in a position of responsability, but would you say the same if you had to make the choice? Deciding between letting refugees in or not? I am sure all of you would think twice. You are all just saying what is politically correct. I was expecting more.

Now, my replay to Divinity is this one: if I was a refugee, I would be glad if someone helps me. If they dont, I would understand, because 1. They have no responsability whatsoever 2. I am no different from the guy dying next to me.

(December 5, 2016 at 2:40 pm)Macoleco Wrote: It is easy to speak when you are not in a position of responsability, but would you say the same if you had to make the choice? Deciding between letting refugees in or not? I am sure all of you would think twice. You are all just saying what is politically correct. I was expecting more.

No, that's what I actually think and what I would actually do. I agree with the others here. Nice try though.

(December 5, 2016 at 2:44 pm)Jesster Wrote:

(December 5, 2016 at 2:40 pm)Macoleco Wrote: It is easy to speak when you are not in a position of responsability, but would you say the same if you had to make the choice? Deciding between letting refugees in or not? I am sure all of you would think twice. You are all just saying what is politically correct. I was expecting more.

No, that's what I actually think and what I would actually do. I agree with the others here. Nice try though.

Would you have no problem with a refugee hurting a civilian?

(December 5, 2016 at 2:47 pm)Macoleco Wrote:

(December 5, 2016 at 2:44 pm)Jesster Wrote: No, that's what I actually think and what I would actually do. I agree with the others here. Nice try though.

Would you have no problem with a refugee hurting a civilian?

What? Where did that come from?