(December 6, 2016 at 2:13 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(December 6, 2016 at 1:02 pm)wallym Wrote: It's a very old idea.  I wonder how much of the notion is biological vs. conditioning vs reason.

A question I've never thought to ask...Do you have a dissenting voice in your head on the matter?  Or are all the neurons working as a team 100% on the bell always tolling for thee front?

Of course I have different streams of thought. What do you think I am, a simpleton?

Wally has an incredibly one track mind

Nihilists sometimes are the most obnoxious literary masturbators.

Everything is used to advance grim dark, no matter how silly or fallacious.

(December 5, 2016 at 1:36 pm)Macoleco Wrote: First of all, let me be more objective from a political perspective: letting refugees in means putting your own people in danger. And we all know the many accidents that have occured in countries like Germany and Switzerland. If you as a government let refugees in and they hurt civilians, it is your responsability.

Objective? Many? Putting your people in danger? How come? What's your source on that? I would know if my neighbours would be overcome by what you call "accidents".

Yeah, same mindset my ancestors had to deal with. Just barr the doors and don't let 'em in. Some where lucky enough to find refuge in Hungary because they originally came from there. Two even made it to the USA. But they were prominent and not just some wayward jews. Most weren't as lucky.

Yeah, you're right. For me your opinion is extremely unpopular to say the least. Ignorant and uninformed comes to mind.

(December 6, 2016 at 1:26 pm)Iroscato Wrote:

(December 6, 2016 at 1:37 am)Macoleco Wrote: It already is.

You realise that precisely opposes the attitude that led to literally every innovation and social change that improved the welfare of the human race, right? Would you prefer us to go back to wiping our arses with leaves and have most of our offspring die in childbirth?

It is the other way around. It is pain and discomfort what causes people to move forward, invent, fight. If everything was nice and easy we would still be wiping our arses with leaves, just like you said.

(December 6, 2016 at 2:13 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(December 6, 2016 at 1:02 pm)wallym Wrote: It's a very old idea.  I wonder how much of the notion is biological vs. conditioning vs reason.

A question I've never thought to ask...Do you have a dissenting voice in your head on the matter?  Or are all the neurons working as a team 100% on the bell always tolling for thee front?

Of course I have different streams of thought. What do you think I am, a simpleton?

Why would that make you a simpleton to not have conflicting streams of thought?  Seems like many people here view this as a fairly black and white topic.

(December 6, 2016 at 2:54 pm)wallym Wrote:

(December 6, 2016 at 2:13 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Of course I have different streams of thought. What do you think I am, a simpleton?

Why would that make you a simpleton to not have conflicting streams of thought?  Seems like many people here view this as a fairly black and white topic.

Opposing an extreme does not make one an extremist on the opposing end.

(December 6, 2016 at 2:54 pm)wallym Wrote: Seems like many people here view this as a fairly black and white topic.

Because it is. One of the select few where there aren't any grey areas. Plain and simple. If you refuse to help people in mortal danger you're not a very nice person. That should be obvious, regardless of where these people come from.

(December 6, 2016 at 2:30 pm)Macoleco Wrote:

(December 6, 2016 at 1:26 pm)Iroscato Wrote: You realise that precisely opposes the attitude that led to literally every innovation and social change that improved the welfare of the human race, right? Would you prefer us to go back to wiping our arses with leaves and have most of our offspring die in childbirth?

It is the other way around. It is pain and discomfort what causes people to move forward, invent, fight. If everything was nice and easy we would still be wiping our arses with leaves, just like you said.

only sometimes just as much innovation has come of cooperation and benevolence and it also paints the wacky notion that the human spirt of innovation comes only from hardship and death

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(December 6, 2016 at 3:03 pm)abaris Wrote:

(December 6, 2016 at 2:54 pm)wallym Wrote: Seems like many people here view this as a fairly black and white topic.

Because it is. One of the select few where there aren't any grey areas. Plain and simple. If you refuse to help people in mortal danger you're not a very nice person. That should be obvious, regardless of where these people come from.

Agreed

Wally the moral  nihilist here can't get that. It can't penetrate his smug pretentions of his superior knowledge of reality of course sociopaths generally tend to megalomaniacs so at least he's consistent

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(December 6, 2016 at 3:03 pm)abaris Wrote:

(December 6, 2016 at 2:54 pm)wallym Wrote: Seems like many people here view this as a fairly black and white topic.

Because it is. One of the select few where there aren't any grey areas. Plain and simple. If you refuse to help people in mortal danger you're not a very nice person. That should be obvious, regardless of where these people come from.

Agreed

Wally the moral  nihilist here can't get that. It can't penetrate his smug pretentions of his superior knowledge of reality of course sociopaths generally tend to megalomaniacs so at least he's consistent

(December 6, 2016 at 2:19 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Nihilists sometimes are the most obnoxious literary masturbators.

Everything is used to advance grim dark, no matter how silly or fallacious.

It's interesting you think of your world view as the happy one.  Feeling personally invested in every bad thing that happens to every other human on the planet?  That shit would get old, real quick.  It's no surprise so many of you are depressed.  

Maco and I differ on that front.  I don't view the world as a cold place.  It's just the world.  If you're lucky, it's pretty great.  If you're not, it's probably going to suck.  Personally, I like it.  And I've found the more I partake in obnoxious literary masturbation, the more my self-awareness increases, the more I can behave in a way that makes life enjoyable.  Perhaps, I got lucky with the sociopath thing, because my biology is on my side when it comes to seeking happiness.

I mentioned Biology-Conditioning-Reason before, and asked Thump about dissenting positions, because I think it's sort of a majority rules.  My Biology and Reason team up to defeat my Conditioning.  But for a lot of people, I think their Biology sides with their Conditioning which is too strong a force to not shape their reasoning.

(December 6, 2016 at 2:54 pm)wallym Wrote:

(December 6, 2016 at 2:13 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Of course I have different streams of thought. What do you think I am, a simpleton?

Why would that make you a simpleton to not have conflicting streams of thought?  Seems like many people here view this as a fairly black and white topic.

Seems to me that entertaining two thoughts not necessarily in agreement is more complex than entertaining one thought, hence mu comment.

I'd disagree with your assessment of the opinions of others in this discussion, myself. I can see the nuance in their points.