Negotiating with xenophobe wing nuts is as productive as wrapping your dick in tissue paper and trying to fuck chainsaw if we can't beat the facts into such troglodytes(which is impossible) then we will find another way but appealing to loons simply isn't a option

(December 8, 2016 at 6:45 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(December 8, 2016 at 5:26 pm)Rhythm Wrote: We're wealthy because we have a shitload of wealth

Why do we have a shitload of wealth?

Because we as illegal immigrants paid nothing for the richest, most productive, and most strategically well situated land on the planet, and took it by killing most of the rightful owners or locking the few remaining in corners of their cellars we call reservations.

(December 8, 2016 at 6:58 pm)abaris Wrote: You would call the current Republicans the Middle? Sorry if I got you wrong there, but if you mean what you seem to mean, your delusion has progressed rapidly.

Guess I wasn't clear. Point is that when you're losing badly - and the left is currently - you need to reach beyond your core...or just live with the other side's policies.

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(December 8, 2016 at 7:39 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Because we as illegal immigrants paid nothing for the richest, most productive, and most strategically well situated land on the planet, and took it by killing most of the rightful owners or locking the few remaining in corners of their cellars we call reservations.

Yep. And people wonder why the current owners are concerned about immigration.

(December 8, 2016 at 7:41 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(December 8, 2016 at 6:58 pm)abaris Wrote: You would call the current Republicans the Middle? Sorry if I got you wrong there, but if you mean what you seem to mean, your delusion has progressed rapidly.

Guess I wasn't clear. Point is that when you're losing badly - and the left is currently - you need to reach beyond your core...or just live with the other side's policies.

It's not apparent from the history that there is any such general trend. You're imagining things.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divi...Congresses

(December 8, 2016 at 7:41 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(December 8, 2016 at 6:58 pm)abaris Wrote: You would call the current Republicans the Middle? Sorry if I got you wrong there, but if you mean what you seem to mean, your delusion has progressed rapidly.

Guess I wasn't clear. Point is that when you're losing badly - and the left is currently - you need to reach beyond your core...or just live with the other side's policies.

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(December 8, 2016 at 7:39 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Because we as illegal immigrants paid nothing for the richest, most productive, and most strategically well situated land on the planet, and took it by killing most of the rightful owners or locking the few remaining in corners of their cellars we call reservations.

Yep. And people wonder why the current owners are concerned about immigration.

nope

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Quote:Yep. And people wonder why the current owners are concerned about immigration.

because there paranoid bigots who live in a fantasy land

and once again filing our ranks with filth in the name of expanding a base yeah that will happen

(December 8, 2016 at 8:24 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(December 8, 2016 at 7:41 pm)alpha male Wrote: Guess I wasn't clear. Point is that when you're losing badly - and the left is currently - you need to reach beyond your core...or just live with the other side's policies.

It's not apparent from the history that there is any such general trend.  You're imagining things.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divi...Congresses

Go here and click on 2010, 2012, etc. Watch the blue shrinking.
https://ballotpedia.org/State_government_trifectas

(December 8, 2016 at 6:42 pm)alpha male Wrote: If you think I'm unreachable, you're really out of luck.

You've already admitted you're uninterested in statistics. Insisting on sticking with feels over reals is pretty much the definition of unreachable.

(December 5, 2016 at 1:24 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:

downbeatplumb Wrote:In the meantime other crimes were committed by non-refugees.

This seems to be a case of picking out the fact he was a refugee almost as a comtributing factor to the crime rather than being an incidental detail. A bit like saying "Blue eyed boy steals car". Maybe he did but the two facts are not connected.

Not to pick a nit, but economic migrants are not actual refugees and receive zero vetting. Agreeing with you, but adding a detail.

In Europe genuine refugees deliberately get mislabelled as economic migrants, both by governments and the media. It's easier to demonise and otherise people who are fleeing tyranny if you think they're here to steal your jobs/dole/housing benefit.

(December 9, 2016 at 7:59 am)Faith No More Wrote:

(December 8, 2016 at 6:42 pm)alpha male Wrote: If you think I'm unreachable, you're really out of luck.

You've already admitted you're uninterested in statistics.  Insisting on sticking with feels over reals is pretty much the definition of unreachable.

Huh? People can reach each other on an emotional level. Happens all the time. Hillary had better command of detailed facts in the debates, yet lost the election.

(December 9, 2016 at 8:42 am)alpha male Wrote: Huh? People can reach each other on an emotional level. Happens all the time. Hillary had better command of detailed facts in the debates, yet lost the election.

So, you admit that this is an emotional issue for you, not a rational one. Just is someone supposed to reach you on an emotional level with this issue? Hold your hand and pretend that you're not being xenophobic?

I'd say having a better command of detailed facts is a gross understatement. It was more like her opponent didn't care if anything he said was true and peddled obvious falsehoods and unproven conspiracy theories as truth. And you wonder why people say Americans are stupid...