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Liberal, Conservative, or Libertarian?
#21
RE: Liberal, Conservative, or Libertarian?
Hey....Black Athena777. Are you ME in an alternate timeline/dimension?

If so...what the heck happened?! Big Grin
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#22
RE: Liberal, Conservative, or Libertarian?
I don't know where I fit either. I'm some kind of socialist and liberal, but not radical SJW Left.

I'm not a fan of identity politics myself. I think there's a time and place for identity politics, but tribalistic "group rights" should not be held as being more important than individual human rights, which is where I end up disagreeing with SJWs a lot of times. Other than that I'm pretty firmly Left-Wing on absolutely everything there is to be Left-wing on.
"Adulthood is like looking both ways before you cross the road, and then getting hit by an airplane"  - sarcasm_only

"Ironically like the nativist far-Right, which despises multiculturalism, but benefits from its ideas of difference to scapegoat the other and to promote its own white identity politics; these postmodernists, leftists, feminists and liberals also use multiculturalism, to side with the oppressor, by demanding respect and tolerance for oppression characterised as 'difference', no matter how intolerable."
- Maryam Namazie

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#23
RE: Liberal, Conservative, or Libertarian?
(December 9, 2016 at 9:07 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Edit: I just adore labels. Let's define some more people!

Hey, complex political views are only useful once you box them in under a simplistic name so you can identify with others. Everyone knows that.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#24
RE: Liberal, Conservative, or Libertarian?
I have hard time defining myself I'm pro choice because I consider a bodily sovergnity a serious thing and don't recognize that a fetus has the capacity for desires and that it's other people merely imposing there desires on it but at the same time I would like abortion to be rendered obsolete but only because it no longer used not made illegal

On the other hand I'm anti capital punishment as I don't but it's central premise that life can be exchanged for life or that life can be used to pay social debts nor do I find the deterrent argument compelling

I reject small government as I believe it's lauded benefits simply aren't founded and I find libertarian economic  solution poorly though through and far to simplistic  I also reject large government id say I simply accept working government it's size isn't as important nor do I think it should be permanent

I have really no strong opinions of ID politics  but fuck with gay marriage and it's on thou to be fair I find what people call PC to be subjective

Economics I reject trickle down it doesn't work and people who supposedly  give examples of it working take a narrow list of factors and jump to extraordinary conclusions on it I reject lassie fair capitalism and corporatism as well
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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#25
RE: Liberal, Conservative, or Libertarian?
I would love to see affirmative action gone, but I also feel like "Be careful what you wish for. It may come true." We probably need it to an extent, but not the extent that we have it. 

I am pro-death penalty. It doesn't deter, but it does punish. Survivors need that. Although I will say that some of the methods we've  some up with are really showy, and I find that creepy. I'd prefer all jurisdictions just use a single bullet to the head. 

I am for marijuana, but also for the severe taxation of it. 

I am for free healthcare and education through 12th grade. 

I am for full LGBT rights. I am still unaware of the trans community, but support neutral restrooms. Pronouns seems like kind of a losing battle, though. 

I'm in favor of guns, but would require a test of ability and psychological wellness. As a disabled person, I would never be armed. 

I'd like to see pension fraud punished very severely. This scares me, tbh. Our government needs to help the weakest.

I voted Clinton solely on my fear of pension modification. But I think she's better on other issues as well.
"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan
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#26
RE: Liberal, Conservative, or Libertarian?
(December 9, 2016 at 9:07 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: A leopard cuttlefish.

Edit: I just adore labels. Let's define some more people!

A small, off-duty Czechoslovakian traffic warden.

A red and blue golfing umbrella.

The Bolivian navy on manoeuvres.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#27
RE: Liberal, Conservative, or Libertarian?
(December 9, 2016 at 8:15 pm)Tiberius Wrote:
(December 9, 2016 at 8:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I have no idea.

I too have a hard time defining what I am, politically.

I'm pro life and also against the death penalty. I like small government but at the same time I believe in help for the poor and single moms for basic needs. I think all drugs and prostitution should be legalized. At the same time, political correctness drives me crazy and I can't stand the double standards with some groups. I don't like affirmative action. I'm for more strict gun control, but don't think they should be outright banned. I believe in taking care of the environment.

... Conservative libertarian is the closest I've found, but I still don't think I quite fit into that box.

No, you're a Tiberiusist. I don't think I disagree with any of those stances.

I call my political beliefs "pragmatic libertarianism". Pretty much the goal should be to maximize liberty, but never at the expense of someone else's rights, especially the right to life. However I also think that if a piece of legislation works well, you should strengthen it or at the very least leave it alone.

A pro life atheist. I like, love you lol.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#28
RE: Liberal, Conservative, or Libertarian?
Liberal elite. (So many deplorables!)
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#29
RE: Liberal, Conservative, or Libertarian?
(December 9, 2016 at 7:49 pm)Athena777 Wrote: What do you call someone who's far right on identity politics including racism, sexism, Islamophobia, and homophobia...liberal on economics, social safety nets, hand up not hand out....liberal on abortion...conservative on illegal immigration and migrants....liberal on gun control and climate change....?

Don't call yourself anything. Labels oversimplify things. We all constantly feel a need to label ourselves. You don't need it. Just think what you think on different issues.

(December 9, 2016 at 8:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I have no idea.

I too have a hard time defining what I am, politically.

I'm pro life and also against the death penalty. I like small government but at the same time I believe in help for the poor and single moms for basic needs. I think all drugs and prostitution should be legalized. At the same time, political correctness drives me crazy and I can't stand the double standards with some groups. I don't like affirmative action. I'm for more strict gun control, but don't think they should be outright banned. I believe in taking care of the environment.

... Conservative libertarian is the closest I've found, but I still don't think I quite fit into that box.

"Small government" and "big government" are a myth and we should stop using those terms. People who claim to be "small government" because they don't like welfare but they think the government should regulate what we do with our own bodies are certainly not "small government." In fact, conservative policies on social issues are the most invasive government policies I can think of.
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#30
RE: Liberal, Conservative, or Libertarian?
(December 10, 2016 at 1:25 pm)Aegon Wrote:
(December 9, 2016 at 7:49 pm)Athena777 Wrote: What do you call someone who's far right on identity politics including racism, sexism, Islamophobia, and homophobia...liberal on economics, social safety nets, hand up not hand out....liberal on abortion...conservative on illegal immigration and migrants....liberal on gun control and climate change....?

Don't call yourself anything. Labels oversimplify things. We all constantly feel a need to label ourselves. You don't need it. Just think what you think on different issues.

(December 9, 2016 at 8:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I have no idea.

I too have a hard time defining what I am, politically.

I'm pro life and also against the death penalty. I like small government but at the same time I believe in help for the poor and single moms for basic needs. I think all drugs and prostitution should be legalized. At the same time, political correctness drives me crazy and I can't stand the double standards with some groups. I don't like affirmative action. I'm for more strict gun control, but don't think they should be outright banned. I believe in taking care of the environment.

... Conservative libertarian is the closest I've found, but I still don't think I quite fit into that box.

"Small government" and "big government" are a myth and we should stop using those terms. People who claim to be "small government" because they don't like welfare but they think the government should regulate what we do with our own bodies are certainly not "small government." In fact, conservative policies on social issues are the most invasive government policies I can think of.

I'm small government when it comes to most things. But the right to life and giving ppl basic needs for living take priority.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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