(December 15, 2016 at 6:23 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: I said exactly none of that. I wasn't pointing at you specifically. I am making the claim that many many many people who voted in 2008 and 2012 just didn't. The fact that the candidate didn't excite them is more of an indictment of liberal voters than the DNC, IMO.

I understand why people didn't vote for Hillary. I am looking at the outcome and asking if it was worth it.

I didn't mean to give the impression that you were singling me out. I was just pointing out that not all people that refused to vote Clinton just refused to vote at all.

You definitely implied that if people had more concern for minority and LGBT rights, they would have realized they needed to vote for Clinton, and the "ties to Wall St." part is a direct quote.

(December 15, 2016 at 6:30 pm)Faith No More Wrote: You definitely implied that if people had more concern for minority and LGBT rights, they would have realized they needed to vote for Clinton, and the "ties to Wall St." part is a direct quote.

My point was not that people didn't care enough. My point is that when you're not a member of those groups, you have the luxury of worrying about ties to Wall St.

(December 15, 2016 at 2:53 pm)Loading Please Wait Wrote: No I wouldn't moan and cry, I'd accept that Hilary won, and just vote in 4 years to get rid of her and move on with my life!

I'm giving my opinion that if you hate the way this country has turned out, or hate who is in charge, then leave! No point in wasting American resources on these pricks. Of course This is America we're taking about, so you have every right to be a little bitch. Just be expected to be treated like one.

See that question about moaning? It wasn't directed at you hence why the quotes were separated but thank you for your answer. I am not American but I don't think the anti-Trump people should leave their country.

(December 15, 2016 at 6:34 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: I am not American but I don't think the anti-Trump people should leave their country.

You only say that because you don't want us. 

We're deplorable.

(December 15, 2016 at 6:33 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: My point was not that people didn't care enough. My point is that when you're not a member of those groups, you have the luxury of worrying about ties to Wall St.

I definitely don't consider worrying about ties to Wall St. a luxury. Two major issues the American people face today are the stagnation of middle class and lower class wages that don't keep up with the cost of living while CEO's salaries grow exponentially and the corruption of the system with things like lobbying and Citizens United. These are issues that greatly affect everyone, especially minorities and the poor, as the fight for civil rights relies on these issues being tackled.

Being in bed with Wall St. strongly affects a person's ability to properly address these issues, so I think it's something everyone, especially minorities, should be concerned about.

(December 15, 2016 at 6:50 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: You only say that because you don't want us. 

We're deplorable.

Come on over, we're happy to accept American refugees when shit eventually hits the fan.

But when the other option is Donald Trump, and his ties to the Billionaire class are pretty well documented (and bearing fruit before the man has even taken office), I don't see that argument holding water.

Again, to me, the policies are more important than the candidate.

(December 15, 2016 at 6:59 pm)Bella Morte Wrote:

(December 15, 2016 at 6:50 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: You only say that because you don't want us. 

We're deplorable.

Come on over, we're happy to accept American refugees when shit eventually hits the fan.  

... you sure bout that? even if that American is a muslim with syrian heritage?

Does anyone think there could be a circumstance under which Trump is impeached shortly into his term? Normally that would be all but impossible with a GOP majority, but impeaching Trump would leave them with President Pence and whoever becomes the VP, which will presumably be a GOP stalwart. Would President Pence be more palatable to the GOP rank-and-file? He's a card-carrying creationist, so I'm assuming he'd have the full support of the religious right. Is that better than four years of Trump, or just another step into the abyss?

Just spitballin' here.

(December 15, 2016 at 7:41 pm)Tonus Wrote: Does anyone think there could be a circumstance under which Trump is impeached shortly into his term?  Normally that would be all but impossible with a GOP majority, but impeaching Trump would leave them with President Pence and whoever becomes the VP, which will presumably be a GOP stalwart.  Would President Pence be more palatable to the GOP rank-and-file?  He's a card-carrying creationist, so I'm assuming he'd have the full support of the religious right.  Is that better than four years of Trump, or just another step into the abyss?

Just spitballin' here.

Well, if he manages to piss off China enough, the resulting financial meltdown would most likely effect all his billionaire stooges just enough to cause his impeachment, and hopefully the next in line, penyce, would be tied up in cleaning that mess till the midterms.. where we might get a chance to salvage the situation, provided both sides would've learned their lessons by then