"karma"

Can people influence other people's emotional state to a degree that it can be measured. thats a simple yes

Can a group of people influence the groups behavior? again a simple yes.

There is no magic type karma, but the science of people interactions offers real mechanisms for people influencing other people. These mechanism can explain what we see and offer prediction, that do turn out to be correct, for this "karma" thing.

so its real enough to a degree. Denying it for anti-religion reasons is just an emotional need or personal opinion. Which, don't mean a hill of beans to me if they don't match observations.

(December 18, 2016 at 11:01 am)Tonus Wrote:

(December 18, 2016 at 6:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: Where is your evidence that when the body-brain die also the consciousness die?

Easy- we know that what you describe as "consciousness" is a property of the brain.  When the brain dies, "consciousness" goes with it.

Now... prove me wrong...

Easy Ton.
You say..........we know.........to know you must produce evidence but where on hell is your evidence?
Nobody ever produced any evidence that the consciousness is a product of the brain.

FOOL.  

How on hell can something material as the brain can produce something abstract and more subtle as the consciousness?

For Christ'sake Ton can't you think before you come down with all this garbage?

Quote:Considering that energy and consciousness are the two sides of the same sheet then also consciousness never die or disappear.

Quote:...and while you're at it, prove what you just said here, as well.

Easy Ton.
Energy without something that control it would be destructive and the universe would be gone in seconds.
That is why energy and consciousness go hand in hand always.  

Quote:You never thought about that Ton, did you?

Quote:Of course not, I'm not as batshit insane as you are.

How sad Ton.
Giacomino the elf has already done a great damage to you too.  

(December 18, 2016 at 7:36 pm)Little Rik Wrote: You say..........we know.........to know you must produce evidence but where on hell is your evidence?
Nobody ever produced any evidence that the consciousness is a product of the brain.

Sure they have, and it's such a basic part of the understanding of the brain that it's really not in question. For instance, read through this paper from 2008 and note how any examination and research into the conscious and unconscious mind depend on brain function. On the other hand, there is no research at all that indicates that the mind survives the death of the brain.

Quote:How on hell can something material as the brain can produce something abstract and more subtle as the consciousness?

Your unwillingness to accept reality does not change reality.

Quote:Energy without something that control it would be destructive and the universe would be gone in seconds.
That is why energy and consciousness go hand in hand always.

I said PROVE what you said. I didn't ask for an even dumber explanation. You seem to understand what evidence is when you're demanding that others defend their statements, but you suddenly forget what it means when you are asked to support yours. Come up with something that makes sense and that has some research behind it and not just something you pulled out of your ass.

Quote:How sad Ton.

Maybe you should stop lamenting your sorry state of affairs and get educated.

(December 18, 2016 at 7:36 pm)Little Rik Wrote:

(December 18, 2016 at 11:01 am)Tonus Wrote: Easy- we know that what you describe as "consciousness" is a property of the brain.  When the brain dies, "consciousness" goes with it.

Now... prove me wrong...

Easy Ton.
You say..........we know.........to know you must produce evidence but where on hell is your evidence?
Nobody ever produced any evidence that the consciousness is a product of the brain.

You keep telling this lie. I've presented evidence multiple times. How can you be such a scumbag? Are you just incapable of remembering anything that's contrary to your beliefs?

(December 18, 2016 at 10:45 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(December 18, 2016 at 7:36 pm)Little Rik Wrote: Easy Ton.
You say..........we know.........to know you must produce evidence but where on hell is your evidence?
Nobody ever produced any evidence that the consciousness is a product of the brain.

You keep telling this lie.  I've presented evidence multiple times.  How can you be such a scumbag?  Are you just incapable of remembering anything that's contrary to your beliefs?

Lier.  

All you did produced are guessings and more guessing.
As far as real and solid evidence absolutely nothing.

NOTHING.

(December 18, 2016 at 9:23 pm)Tonus Wrote:

(December 18, 2016 at 7:36 pm)Little Rik Wrote: You say..........we know.........to know you must produce evidence but where on hell is your evidence?
Nobody ever produced any evidence that the consciousness is a product of the brain.

Sure they have, and it's such a basic part of the understanding of the brain that it's really not in question.  For instance, read through this paper from 2008 and note how any examination and research into the conscious and unconscious mind depend on brain function.  On the other hand, there is no research at all that indicates that the mind survives the death of the brain.

Ton.  

You are an absolute joke.  

After reading your link I laughed my guts out.  

But let me summarize.
1) The link start with bad news (for you of course)
It say...........
The unconscious mind is still viewed by many psychological scientists as the shadow of a “real” conscious mind, though there now exists substantial evidence that the unconscious is not identifiably less flexible, complex, controlling, deliberative, or action-oriented than is its counterpart


That show that there is evidence for nothing.
Just guessing as I already knew.
It say that ..........now exists substantial evidence.......but where on hell is this evidence.

And then there is the opinion of so many scholars and so called philosophers which they contradict each other but the most funny thing is at the conclusion when it say.......We propose an alternative perspective........

You see Ton.
First the link examine all different ideas about the unconscious mind and then propose his point of view.
That clearly means that no evidence is there.
Try again Ton but this time bring forward something that make sense not the usual guessing.  

Quote:How on hell can something material as the brain can produce something abstract and more subtle as the consciousness?

Quote:Your unwillingness to accept reality does not change reality.

This is the reality Ton.
Have you ever seen something less evolved that produce something superior to it?
How on earth can something small produce something big?
This goes against the very science that atheists try to grasp all the time.
You guys are contradicting yourself time and time again.
The brain is made of matter while the consciousness is an abstract entity.
Since when the matter can give birth to something bigger than it?  

Quote:Energy without something that control it would be destructive and the universe would be gone in seconds.
That is why energy and consciousness go hand in hand always.

Quote:I said PROVE what you said.  I didn't ask for an even dumber explanation.  You seem to understand what evidence is when you're demanding that others defend their statements, but you suddenly forget what it means when you are asked to support yours.  Come up with something that makes sense and that has some research behind it and not just something you pulled out of your ass.

FOOL.  

You can easy prove that to yourself.
All you have to do is to put your fingers in the electricity wire and see whether the energy let loose hurt or not.
Look Ton don't try now please.
Christmas is coming.
I wouldn't like to see your love one cry for you.  

Quote:How sad Ton.

Quote:Maybe you should stop lamenting your sorry state of affairs and get educated.

Sarkar gave me the best education that I could ever found.
It is the education within that is important.
All the rest is only important for the physical-material survival which you will have to leave behinf when you body goes to the dogs.

You never thought about that Ton, did you?  

(December 19, 2016 at 8:43 am)Stimbo Wrote:

(December 19, 2016 at 8:28 am)Little Rik Wrote: But let me summarize.

I suspected that you would try this. You claim to "summarize" the link but you stopped reading the moment you felt you'd found a smoking gun. Of course, the piece you quoted doesn't show that there is "evidence for nothing"-- only someone nose-deep in dogma would think that. It explains that the subconscious is very similar to the conscious mind. If you'd continued to read, you might have found more relevant passages:

Quote:when placed in the broader context of the natural sciences, especially evolutionary biology, the widespread discoveries of sophisticated unconscious behavior guidance systems not only make sense, they turn out to have been predicted on a priori grounds

Quote:Under the present argument that the unconscious evolved as a behavioral guidance system and as a source of adaptive and appropriate actional impulses, these unconsciously activated preferences should be found to be directly connected to behavioral mechanisms. Several studies have now established this connection:

Quote:By this definition of the unconscious, which is the original and historic one, contemporary social cognition research on priming and automaticity effects have shown the existence of sophisticated, flexible, and adaptive unconscious behavior guidance systems.

That's right, Rik. The subconscious mind is a measurable and testable system that evolved and is being better understood all the time. And there's no evidence that it exists outside of the brain that is required in order for it to function. I noticed that the only part of my response you ignored was when I asked for your evidence. What a surprise. Maybe you missed it while you were searching for font colors and emoticons to use in place of logic.

Quote:This is the reality Ton.

No, it's not. You demand evidence over and over but you produce none of your own. Your crazy arguments are not evidence. Do better.

Quote:You can easy prove that to yourself.

That's not proof, that's a cop-out. Your explanation is bullshit. Prove what you said or accept that you are wrong. It's that simple.

Quote:Sarkar gave me the best education that I could ever found.

Clubbing you over the head until your brain stopped working is not a proper definition of "education." Tell Sarkar that you want your money back.

(December 19, 2016 at 9:00 am)Little Rik Wrote:

This may be the only honest thing you've ever expressed. Your mind isn't merely closed; it's barred, bolted, chained, padlocked, and you've thrown away the key. You quite simply don't care about anything outside your tiny head. How very sad for you.