(December 20, 2016 at 3:43 pm)21stCenturyIconoclast Wrote: Catholic Lady,


If you're talking about me, and why shouldn't you, you've obviously found my manly pictures on the internets, yes?  
This happens all the time where I am burdened by a "plethora" of women throwing themselves 
at me once they find out about my modus operandi.

I am sorry to inform you, but I have many Sisters of Eve in waiting, but I can put you on an extensive list 
if you want to see if you get lucky in the future.  Let me know, because it fills up quickly. 


"It is better to live alone in the desert than with a crabby, complaining wife."  (Proverbs 21:19)

(December 20, 2016 at 7:04 pm)Vicki Q Wrote:

(December 18, 2016 at 2:22 pm)Jehanne Wrote: I know that this forum does not have a debate sub-forum, and so, if the moderators want to move this thread to the debate sub-forum in the philosophy area that is fine with me.  I am looking to be debate any interested parties on the following question:



Any takers, feel free to jump in!  I would ask, however, that this thread be limited to debate only and without extended commentary, especially, on other topics.

OK. This could be interesting.

You're an intelligent poster who would certainly be capable of calling me out on the weak parts of my argument. An example of my rule of thumb that the quality of the debate is in inverse proportion to the level of impoliteness.

Also, I note that I wouldn't have to be dealing with Mythical Jesus nonsense (etc.) in discussion with you. We can get down to the serious debate without wasting time.

However:

Could you set up the thing someone said where only we can post? It would be nice to have a real discussion rather than deal with drive-by clowns dropping one liners.

I'm only going to be posting sporadically, because of commitments**. If this doesn't work for you, or another Xian with time on their hands comes forward, feel free to not take me up.

Could you clarify the bit after the word “dead” in the title, because I'm not understanding it too well. Perhaps just replace it with a question mark?


**Since you ask, I'm trying to get a ministry going of getting limbs to grow back through the power of prayer. It's not going well.

By "dead", I mean a state of clinical death, something that a qualified paramedic and/or MD would note as being official.  As for limiting the debate to just you and me, the moderators would have to address that.  I will wait for them to do so before starting the new thread!  Thanks for taking up my offer!!

Until then...

(December 20, 2016 at 7:43 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Century, I am going to attempt to do this for you because I care. We must all care about one another as Jesus cared about us.  

I have an important message for you. And it is this:

You need to come out of the darkness and into the light. I sense much disturbance in you. And the disturbance IS evil itself. It is due not only to a lack of God in your heart, but a very deep contempt towards Him, the Master of Truth.

I would like to encourage you to purge this demon that resides in the deep crevices of your heart. Once you have come to realize your deep desire for The Truth, come and find me. I shall help you.

That's just creepy.

(December 20, 2016 at 9:58 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(December 20, 2016 at 7:43 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Century, I am going to attempt to do this for you because I care. We must all care about one another as Jesus cared about us.  

I have an important message for you. And it is this:

You need to come out of the darkness and into the light. I sense much disturbance in you. And the disturbance IS evil itself. It is due not only to a lack of God in your heart, but a very deep contempt towards Him, the Master of Truth.

I would like to encourage you to purge this demon that resides in the deep crevices of your heart. Once you have come to realize your deep desire for The Truth, come and find me. I shall help you.

That's just creepy.

...only to those who have darkness in their hearts. The demon inside does not like the light.

I knew there was something off about this guy:

Guys, she's talking about poo again.

Establishing that a qualified doctor issued a time of death for Jesus is going to be problematic. Even if they did, so what? It's just an arbitrary set of criteria they would use. No one has the authority to declare someone "impossible to come back to life".

Considering there's not even any physical evidence that he existed at all, his medical records will probably be found wanting.

Notice that even at the time of writing the bible, there was obviously some scepticism surrounding whether Jesus was actually dead following the crucifiction. This is clear because one of the soldiers suddenly stabbed him to make sure he was dead in a later rendition of the story (John I believe); a detail missing from earlier accounts.

(December 21, 2016 at 2:53 am)robvalue Wrote: Establishing that a qualified doctor issued a time of death for Jesus is going to be problematic. Even if they did, so what? It's just an arbitrary set of criteria they would use. No one has the authority to declare someone "impossible to come back to life".

Considering there's not even any physical evidence that he existed at all, his medical records will probably be found wanting.

Notice that even at the time of writing the bible, there was obviously some scepticism surrounding whether Jesus was actually dead following the crucifiction. This is clear because one of the soldiers suddenly stabbed him to make sure he was dead in a later rendition of the story (John I believe); a detail missing from earlier accounts.

You make a very valid point, but my presumption going into this is that the Romans knew what they were doing and that Jesus did, in fact, die physically on the cross.  Of course, crucifixion was not decapitation, and so, it was not impossible that someone could survive the process.

Whoops I wrote crucifiction rather than crucifixion. Freudian slip as to my opinion of the whole matter

Indeed, even "swoon theory" is a more probable explanation than "magic and therefor God".

There's the additional problem that they would have chucked him in a ditch because he was scum.

(December 18, 2016 at 2:22 pm)Jehanne Wrote: I know that this forum does not have a debate sub-forum, and so, if the moderators want to move this thread to the debate sub-forum in the philosophy area that is fine with me.  I am looking to be debate any interested parties on the following question:

Quote:Did Jesus of Nazareth, after his execution, bodily and corporeally rise from the dead in such a way that his human corpse was no longer identifiable as being that of a deceased individual?

Any takers, feel free to jump in!  I would ask, however, that this thread be limited to debate only and without extended commentary, especially, on other topics.

In order to debate whether he became a zombie, we have to establish whether Yeshua bar Yosef was both a real person and whether if so he lived the life depicted in the bible.

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(December 21, 2016 at 6:42 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(December 21, 2016 at 2:53 am)robvalue Wrote: Establishing that a qualified doctor issued a time of death for Jesus is going to be problematic. Even if they did, so what? It's just an arbitrary set of criteria they would use. No one has the authority to declare someone "impossible to come back to life".

Considering there's not even any physical evidence that he existed at all, his medical records will probably be found wanting.

Notice that even at the time of writing the bible, there was obviously some scepticism surrounding whether Jesus was actually dead following the crucifiction. This is clear because one of the soldiers suddenly stabbed him to make sure he was dead in a later rendition of the story (John I believe); a detail missing from earlier accounts.

You make a very valid point, but my presumption going into this is that the Romans knew what they were doing and that Jesus did, in fact, die physically on the cross.  Of course, crucifixion was not decapitation, and so, it was not impossible that someone could survive the process.

Oh the Roman authorities knew how to do crucifixions, but the bible writers didn't. Thr type of crucifixion that is described in the bible would mean that Jesus would take days to die. To kill him in the few hours in the bible, the Romans would have had to break his legs (as they quite often did).