At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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Poll: Atheists: Are the words "sin" ad "hell" trigger words to you? This poll is closed. |
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Yes, although I never believed in such notions. | 1 | 4.55% | |
Yes, I used to believe and now that I don't, the prospect of such things is upsetting | 3 | 13.64% | |
No, I have never considered them to be trigger words | 9 | 40.91% | |
No, I used to be a believer but now that I'm not I don't have any sensitivity to these words | 8 | 36.36% | |
(This one's for Min) Fuck off | 1 | 4.55% | |
Total | 22 vote(s) | 100% |
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Are the words "Sin" and "Hell" a trigger to you Atheists?
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Sin, to me, is casting aspersions on my character that I refuse to tolerate. When people use it as a blanket, i.e. "We all sin", they're almost always using it in a way that tries to alleviate their own insecurity by casting it out at others, and I won't stand for that kind of insult. That the person is almost invariably drawing their moral considerations from a book condoning slavery and genocide, and then challenging my moral convictions, is unthinkably appalling.
It is also an implication that they, and their hypocritical phony tyrant believe I am deserving of flesh-searing torment without end. In the entire infinite multiverse, there's nothing any mortal could possibly do to merit this and yet it's tossed around like a Nightmare on Elm Street DVD. People need to fucking understand how loaded these concepts are and that those who aren't interested in any of their phony-baloney crap are even less interested in the most divisive and offensive parts of it. Those of us who don't believe and who actually learned, on average, more about their fables than the believers, know full well that they are fundamentally incompatible with the idea that their object of worship is a liar, murderer and, depending on how you look at it, rapist, and that alone should make their whole rationale for condemning others (or even themselves) for the idea of bogus sins is laughable. The problem is, if this was a different time, we'd be getting flagellated at best, or burned alive at worst. The weight of these words is greater than their god can lift, and should not be tossed around lightly. If someone does something completely idiotic, and you explain exactly what was wrong with it, and they call you a moron in return just because they feel like it, because it makes them feel better, does that not make it an insult? This is no different, except that the implications behind it are far worse. It applies to morality rather than intelligence (although since intelligence often indicates non-belief you could argue they're linked) and if they go the step further and say you should be sodomized by a piece of red-hot metal, well, that's the hellfire part. Can either of these things even remotely reasonably be said to someone who has done nothing wrong? There's no call for these concepts to ever be applied to anyone outside of a faith. For anyone to say that faith is innocuous when this kind of thing happens is to reveal that they are just as ignorant as the most embarrassing stereotype.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
--- There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
To an extent, I suppose hell could be. If you subscribe to the mainstream view that people sent to hell burn in a lake of fire for eternity, that's about the most evil thing I can imagine. As for sin, not so much. Mainly because I think sin is a nonsense word. It has no value, because it just means things god doesn't like. This god being a guy that says rape, slavery, and mass murder are ok within certain limitations. But two consenting same sex adults making love, or doing any kind of work on the sabbath, deserves death by stoning.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason... http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/ Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50 A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh. http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html
Sin is human nature, criminalised.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(January 1, 2017 at 11:10 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Sin is human nature, criminalised. It's more than that, it's a command to kiss god's ass in almost half a dozen ways, and an admonition to do the same to your parents even if they're assholes.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
--- There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
That's my point. Sin is the brand name for transgressions against "God"; transgressions which are rooted in human nature (lust, envy, pride, gluttony etc). Basically all those things that distract the peasant classes from their life of toil.
Remove the god from the equation, eliminate sin. And until the priestly class dishes up a god, they have to prey on the superstitions of those cresulous enough to want to be led by the balls.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(January 1, 2017 at 11:30 pm)Stimbo Wrote: That's my point. Sin is the brand name for transgressions against "God"; transgressions which are rooted in human nature (lust, envy, pride, gluttony etc). Basically all those things that distract the peasant classes from their life of toil. Only, it's not a sin to own other human beings as property. So sin as a concept for keeping people on the moral path is not even capable of doing that.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
--- There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
Personally, unless you consider eye-rolling a response to "trigger words", the words "Hell" and "Sin" aren't trigger words to me.
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I was born with the gift of laughter and a sense the world is mad. (January 1, 2017 at 11:39 pm)Astonished Wrote:(January 1, 2017 at 11:30 pm)Stimbo Wrote: That's my point. Sin is the brand name for transgressions against "God"; transgressions which are rooted in human nature (lust, envy, pride, gluttony etc). Basically all those things that distract the peasant classes from their life of toil. Which is why clarifications such as "slaves obey your masters" were put in. The bible had always been a document for sociopolitical control of the masses by a ruling élite. A trend that continues to this day.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(January 2, 2017 at 12:28 am)Stimbo Wrote:(January 1, 2017 at 11:39 pm)Astonished Wrote: Only, it's not a sin to own other human beings as property. So sin as a concept for keeping people on the moral path is not even capable of doing that. Oh, I don't give a crap about that kind of thing. I care that today, people want to point the finger at everybody and go, 'Sinner!' as if that's the only kind of immoral behavior imaginable, neglecting every other consideration in or out of the bah-ble.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
--- There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views. |
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