(January 16, 2017 at 10:49 am)Drich Wrote:

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(January 14, 2017 at 9:49 am)Jehanne Wrote: Our species, Homo sapiens sapiens, did not descend from 2 individuals:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

The bible never claims that it does. It simply makes a point in saying we are sons of Adam.

Again in my narrative I point out the Genesis 1,2,3,4 are central garden narratives. Meaning if you were sat in the middle of the garden and told to record this is what you would see. It does not mean life outside the garden worked the same way. In fact we know it didn't as God told Adam and Eve of all the struggles they would face outside the garden.

Again the garden was a perserve, meaning it was kept apart from the rest of the natural world. Natural world meaning evolved world. a world where man/you descendants share a line with monkeys. We are told in the garden When God created Adam and Eve he breathed a living soul into them. That is the difference between those in the garden and those who 'evolved' outside the garden.

So then how does everyone have a soul?

Hmmm..


Only if there was a great bottle neck in human history when just about everyone dies, expect those with souls...

Do you see? Not everyone is descendant from two people, but at the same time are all share a soul/can be called sons of Adam.

Since all humans these days have souls, according you to, then I have a few questions:

When do you suppose the Flood happened?

How many people came off the ark? Eight? Some unspecified number of others not mentioned in the story?

Were there other soul-endowed people who survived the flood, aside from the ark inhabitants?

(January 14, 2017 at 5:32 pm)Khemikal Wrote: My 2cents...the misfortune was in requiring some pedigree, when this whole christianity shit got started.......that they felt compelled to take an older myth from an ignorant time and affix it to what was, essentially, a popularizing tale for hellenic stoicism (obviously tailored to the peculiar audience which received it).

The effect of that, today and in the past, is that we've got totally -not- batshit crazy dumbasses™ focusing on the preamble to the detriment of the message.  The overarching "don't be a dick" narrative turns into the very reason that evangelical wastes of space engage in the asshattery they've become so well known for.

Meanwhile, stoicism without all the christ and yahweh mumbo jumbo is alive and well and not at all implicated in any of that bullshit - just as an example that it could have gone another way and didn;t -have- to result in what it did...the only difference between the two being the shit thumpers pound out all day erryday....and that, to me, suggests which part of the narrative is the problem.

Again, there was nothing special about jesusism much to the annoyance of modern fucktards like Dripshit.  There were Mystery Cults all over the Roman Empire and xtianity was just one more of them.  Further, on page 100 of On The Historicity of Jesus, Ricahrd Carrier points out:

Quote:Notably all the mystery religions were products of the same sort of cultural
syncretism. The Eleusinian mysteries were a syncretism of Levantine and
Hellenistic elements; the mysteries of Attis and Cybele were a syncretism of
Phrygian and Hellenistic elements; the mysteries of Jupiter Dolichenus were
a syncretism of Anatolian and Hellenistic elements; Mithraism was a syncretism
of Persian and Hellenistic elements; the mysteries of Isis and Osiris
were a syncretism of Egyptian and Hellenistic elements. Christianity is simply
a continuation of the same trend: a syncretism of Jewish and Hellenistic
elements. Each of these cults is unique and different from all the others in
nearly every detail-but it's the general features they all share in common
that reflect the overall fad that produced them in the first place, the very features
that made them popular and successful within Greco-Roman culture.

Poor xristards...they do so want to be special.

(January 16, 2017 at 11:02 am)Drich Wrote: Sorry Kermit...

But we all have souls... the last Souless son of a monkey man died begging to be let into the ark.

Got a citation for that, sporty?

(January 16, 2017 at 11:02 am)Drich Wrote:

(January 14, 2017 at 10:43 am)Khemikal Wrote: Right, but you're a human being, a monkey man -without- a soul.  Drich and his are another type of animal, apparently.  The soulified ones are the ones descended from a dirtman and a ribgirl, not you and I.  Still trying to figure out how god managed not to kill us all off in that little rainstorm he engineered.  I don't recall any of our species being on the cargo manifest of the SS Jehovah.  



(by the by, for all the shit you -could- give drich on the subject, the notion that the human beings in the garden were not the same as the rest of the fuckers outside the garden is absolutely biblical and foundational to the created and chosen race schtick being peddled by it's authors)

Sorry Kermit...

But we all have souls... the last Souless son of a monkey man died begging to be let into the ark.

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(January 14, 2017 at 4:13 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Christian Biblical literalism has been falsified; it is time for that portion of the human race that had embraced that fantasy, either through birth, the result of marriage or intellectual laziness and other shortcomings to move on.

Perhaps by small minded people who do not wish to contiplate a greater truth... That being the creation account as recorded in scripture can and does encompass any scientific theory and can still ring completely true.

All on need do is eliminate the time line the church/religion has false put on the end of creation and the fall of Man. Once you allow the bible to simply read as written, then the planet/galaxy universe can be as old as you little mind needs it to be.

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I think that a better explanation is that the creation story in Genesis was based upon a Sumerian myth, derived from the Epic of Gilgamesh:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh

(January 16, 2017 at 11:02 am)Drich Wrote: Sorry Kermit...

But we all have souls... the last Souless son of a monkey man died begging to be let into the ark.

Can't have.  I'm here, I had parents.  I belong to an evolved species not descended from a rib woman.  Talk about a half assed genocide.  / shrugs

The Flood™ was a damp squib anyway. The whole point was to rid the world of sin and wickedness brought on by The Fall™. Yet apparently the world's as wicked as it ever was, if not more so. Old Yahweh might as well not have bothered.

Drich, do you believe in the story of the flood?

(January 16, 2017 at 6:18 pm)Stimbo Wrote: The Flood™ was a damp squib anyway. The whole point was to rid the world of sin and wickedness brought on by The Fall™. Yet apparently the world's as wicked as it ever was, if not more so. Old Yahweh might as well not have bothered.

I remember these types of conversations back in the late '80s on alt.atheism.  Contrary to Wikipedia (which I like to reference, and which, generally, has good articles), the phrase "Last Thursdayism" was in use then:


http://www.last-thursday.org/


P.S.  This is just a test for Drich; we all know the real truth, don't we!  (Hee-hee, hee-hee, .....)

(January 16, 2017 at 6:18 pm)Stimbo Wrote: The Flood™ was a damp squib anyway. The whole point was to rid the world of sin and wickedness brought on by The Fall™. Yet apparently the world's as wicked as it ever was, if not more so. Old Yahweh might as well not have bothered.

Something of a fuck-up, that yahweh.  And his no good kid was just as bad.  They sort of remind me of the Drumpf family.

Drich, your problem is that your mentality is stunted to that of a child because of the incapability you have to see the scriptures for the falsehoods that they are. The assumption you cling to, that there is any truth to them whatsoever, is what's keeping there from being any headway in this argument. You bring up any topic at all from the bible and it's like having farted, it brings nothing whatsoever to the discussion and really just makes us wrinkle our noses, and at the same time, somehow, you don't get embarrassed for having done so.

When we prove 2 + 2 doesn't equal five, we can stop talking about that. When your math textbook is full of nothing but such errors, we toss the damn thing out and get a better one. You telling us that if we twist our heads around backwards like in the Exorcist will allow us to see that 2 + 2 does equal five, is not only still true, but also demonstrably harmful to us, and again, you not being able to see that just compounds the problem.

You can debate anyone you like but your inability to feel ashamed of yourself for being such a jackass doesn't mean you shouldn't feel that way, and eventually we're going to get tired of indulging your bullshit. Honestly, watch one video of AronRa's, he shreds the arguments that have been accumulating centuries more stale crap in a very eloquent way. Any debate taken part in really involves nothing more than the theists playing word games to try to change definitions and bullshit their way into gaining a point (which is only anecdotal in nature anyway, never actually scientific), or flat-out lying. I literally can't listen to theist portions of youtube debates anymore, there is no significant difference between any of them and no matter how many times every single point is proven wrong, there's never anything new, or any real nuance to differentiate between them.