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Grow The Fuck Up Already...
RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
Has it occurred to you that in thinking you know something, you might be blocking yourself off from learning something?

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RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
(January 17, 2017 at 11:32 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Has it occurred to you that in thinking you know something, you might be blocking yourself off from learning something?

Has it occurred to you that I might actually know something?  That, maybe, since I'm talking about personal experience and you're just having a guess over the Internet, just maybe I know a tiny fucking bit more about these exact circumstances than you?

Here's what I know.  My wife works with these people, she tells me the stories.  She has a degree in psychology, so she knows a bit more about human behavior than the average person.  Not that she's an expert, but she's not without compassion.

Now, if you people think you're going to get me to say, "Well, my wife, who has a degree in psychology and has dealt with these people directly, is far less trustworthy than some jackoff on the Internet who simply takes exception to the notion that some people are whiny bitches and doesn't like the idea that they exist", it's not going to fucking happen.  I'll trust what my wife tells me from personal experience over what you would like to believe any fucking day, the end.
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RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
(January 17, 2017 at 12:06 pm)Asmodee Wrote:
(January 17, 2017 at 11:32 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Has it occurred to you that in thinking you know something, you might be blocking yourself off from learning something?

Has it occurred to you that I might actually know something? 

Of course it has.

(January 17, 2017 at 12:06 pm)Asmodee Wrote: That, maybe, since I'm talking about personal experience and you're just having a guess over the Internet, just maybe I know a tiny fucking bit more about these exact circumstances than you?

Perhaps, perhaps not. Hence the question-mark at the end of what was, you know, a question. I wonder why a simple question has you so riled you're resorting to cussing at someone who has been polite to you?

(January 17, 2017 at 12:06 pm)Asmodee Wrote: Here's what I know.  My wife works with these people, she tells me the stories.  She has a degree in psychology, so she knows a bit more about human behavior than the average person.  Not that she's an expert, but she's not without compassion.

Now, if you people think you're going to get me to say, "Well, my wife, who has a degree in psychology and has dealt with these people directly, is far less trustworthy than some jackoff on the Internet who simply takes exception to the notion that some people are whiny bitches and doesn't like the idea that they exist", it's not going to fucking happen.  I'll trust what my wife tells me from personal experience over what you would like to believe any fucking day, the end.

And what do you think I'd like you to believe? Which post of mine in this thread lays that out?

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RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
I'm sorry for the tone I'm starting to take here.  It's a little irritating having people with no knowledge of the situation passively insisting that I am absolutely wrong.

Here's the thing.  Whiny people exist.  Whiny people who take advantage of others also exist, as do whiny people who whine to get out of work, but still get paid.  It's not like I'm making some fantastical claim about some mythical creature here.  People like I am describing unquestionably exist.  And I am talking from firsthand experience, albeit my wife's firsthand experience, not my own.  So what reason can you give me not to take my wife's word for it?  Realistically, none.  You couldn't reliably pick one of these people out of a lineup if I put 2 of them in a lineup of 5 people.  You don't know ANYTHING about them.  My wife does.  My wife knows them personally.

So is it possible that my wife is wrong, repeatedly, in every single case?  Sure.  Do you have some evidence to suggest that this is true?  No.  Yes, there are also people who really have mental issues.  So what?  I'm not talking about those people, I'm talking about these people.  Do I expect to convince you that I'm right?  Why would I expect that?  You have only my word, which isn't worth shit as far as you know.  But my word ALSO isn't automatically a lie or mistaken as far as you know, which is how you are acting.  You are acting like I am wrong until I prove myself right.

My wife has lots of reasons for believing as she does.  It has become far more common in the last decade or so, it has reached a ridiculous percentage of the work force, it is almost exclusively women in their late teens to early 20s, etc.  There are lot of factors which make her believe as she does.  But I don't owe you an explanation just because you're butthurt over the notion that she might, based on no reason than personal feelings being hurt, be wrong.

So enough with the ludicrous accusations already.  There is no "mind reading" involved when a trained professional with a degree in mental health forms an opinion that someone does not have a mental disorder.  That's just a bullshit argument tactic to make my argument look stupid and, in this case, it is WRONG.  If you had bothered to get any information before forming the opinion that I was definitely wrong I would have happily given you these facts.  But let's face it, we're not interested in pesky "facts" in this stupid argument, are we?  We're just interested in making the person who got us all butthurt look bad.

And that is why I did not want to argue with you.  I'm not interested in a pissing contest.  I AM entitled to believe what I like.  I do not have to prove that a person with a degree in psychology who has had direct contact with the people I am talking about actually knows more about these particular people than a person who likely does not posses a degree in psychology and who couldn't pick one of these people out of a lineup of two because that person doesn't even know to which of the 7 billion people on the planet I am referring.  That is actually a given.  I don't owe you an explanation.  I don't owe you "proof" of any sort.  I'm not making some outlandish claim of fantastical magical fancy here.  My claim is actually pretty mundane, AND it is backed by a mental health professional (in fact, my opinion comes directly from said mental health professional).  What do you have?  A hurt butt and PTSD.  And your PTSD is...what?  A super power which allows you to look across time and space to the specific people I am talking about and definitively refute the opinion of the mental health professional who deals with them directly?  Fuck, sign me up for PTSD if that's the case.  My wife is speaking from personal experience, as a professional, dealing with these people directly.  You are speaking from personal experience, presumably not as a professional, of your own mental disorder, having nothing whatsoever to do with these people.  So do I need to refute your bullshit argument tactics to justify accepting my wife's professional opinion.  No, I do not.  Do I need to convince you that I am right?  No, I do not.  But it is absolutely unquestionable that people like I am describing exist.  So what possible reason could you have for believing that these people can't be "that type" of people?  It's simple.  You don't want to.

But, Faith, you wanted me to argue, so fine, I argued.  No "mind reading" was involved.  The person forming the opinion is actually qualified to form that opinion, thank you.  And it doesn't hurt to know the people directly.  I am not arguing from "stupidity about mental illness", but from the opinion of someone with an actual degree in psychology.  If you had bothered to get any information before making your accusations then you would not have ignorantly assumed that I made any "assumptions" which were, themselves, "ignorant".  That's actually what you did in ignorantly making that claim without any actual knowledge of any of the facts.  I don't have a crystal ball to lend you and I certainly hope you already have your own mental health professional, so I doubt you will need the services of my wife.  I don't recall claiming that mental illness was in any way a "magic power" before this post, and I was actually lead to believe that by your mystical power to reach across the Internet and know facts of my life which I did not give you.  They're all wrong, but the fact that you "know" them is still pretty impressive...or was it stupid?  Yeah, "stupid" is the one.  And I would like to personally apologize for all the people who ever judged you at work.  I'm not sure how, but apparently I am personally responsible for that.  I am sorry that I...somehow...made you feel bad about yourself at work...without ever being there.  And yes, I can extrapolate my experiences to everyone else in the very same way your PTSD allows you to instantly judge me wrong on all counts without any facts whatsoever.

As for that last line, that was just moronic, even by the standards of the rest of your post where you consistently drew conclusions without any evidence or reason for any of them.  It was another bullshit argument, a strawman, in this case.  I never said leave your "mental" shit at home.  I said leave your "personal" shit at home.  In context, ie, the "My boyfriend just broke up with me" example that I gave, what I said was NOTHING LIKE the bullshit you claimed I said.  Not even in the same solar system, much less ballpark.

(January 17, 2017 at 1:17 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Perhaps, perhaps not. Hence the question-mark at the end of what was, you know, a question. I wonder why a simple question has you so riled you're resorting to cussing at someone who has been polite to you?
Oh, I don't know.  Perhaps it was the second person who doesn't have a single fact piling on, pretending to so "wisely" assist me in understanding what they, themselves, have absolutely zero knowledge of?  Could have been it, maybe?
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RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
If you spend all your time trying to deny all whiney people, can you ever take a moment and consider your false positive rate and how expensive that is (after all, time is money)?

Case in point: drug testing in welfare. Millions of dollars spent for a few thousand dollars saved - apparently the vast majority of welfare recipients can't afford drugs. Yet for people who vote it in, they will say:

Quote:Here's the thing. Welfare junkies Whiny people exist. Welfare Junkies Whiny people who take advantage of others also exist, as do welfare junkies whiny people who whine to get out of work, but still get paid. It's not like I'm making some fantastical claim about some mythical creature here. People like I am describing unquestionably exist.

Unlike the welfare junky which can be found using objective criteria, "whiney people" cannot be determined objectively.

"Whiney people" are a subjective definition.

So you wrote all that to say even less.

Ouch.
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RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
(January 17, 2017 at 1:59 pm)Asmodee Wrote:
(January 17, 2017 at 1:17 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Perhaps, perhaps not. Hence the question-mark at the end of what was, you know, a question. I wonder why a simple question has you so riled you're resorting to cussing at someone who has been polite to you?
Oh, I don't know.  Perhaps it was the second person who doesn't have a single fact piling on, pretending to so "wisely" assist me in understanding what they, themselves, have absolutely zero knowledge of?  Could have been it, maybe?

lol, asking a question is "piling on"?

The more I read your screed, the more I think you haven't considered the possibility that you might be wrong in your assessment of mental issues being abused to get out of work, play for sympathy, etc.

As for me not having a single fact, I've got a lot of facts about mental issues and how they affect workers -- I've been a business manager most of my professional life -- and I personally don't agree completely with you or FNM regarding the topic. But I don't see the point of discussing this any more with you, because clearly you're looking for simple agreement, and getting butthurt that it isn't necessarily forthcoming.

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RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
*sighs* So much for avoiding that bitch-fest, eh?  If you pull that stick out of your ass, Asmodee, maybe we can have a discussion instead of you just whining that people are telling you you're wrong.  Speaking of pulling things out of your ass, pull your head out, too, so you can stop strawmanning the shit out of me and actually listen to what I have to say.

Firstly, no one is butthurt(except maybe you?), and no one is upset that there are whiny people.  So, you can just let that shit go.  Like I said, I learned a long time ago not to let ignorance about mental health bother me.  If I did, I'd be in in a 24/7 rage.

So, your wife now has a psychology degree?  Well, isn't that convenient.  What, a Bachelor's?  Master's?  What area?  There are many areas of psychology, and majority of them don't have anything to do with diagnosing mental illness.  Hell, a friend of mine has a psychology and a sociology degree, and he's not remotely qualified to diagnose mental illness.  Despite what you seem to think, it's is not as simple as just working around someone and observing them.  Even specialists with Ph.D.'s have to spend hours of one on one time to diagnose mental illness.  Diagnosing is really, really difficult, and even the experts get it wrong.  The brain is extremely complex, and simply having a psychology degree doesn't necessarily qualify someone to diagnose people.  Unless your wife has a Ph.D. in an area specifically about diagnosing and spends hours of counseling them one on one, she isn't actually qualified to make that call.  Sorry to break that news to you, but maybe you should learn what you're talking about before you go off half-cocked calling people stupid.

Quote:How Are Mental Illnesses Diagnosed?


http://www.webmd.com/anxiety-panic/guide...-diagnosis

Did I say you were responsible for what I've experienced?  Again, head.  Ass. Out.  I was using my experience to point out that exactly what you've said here is the kind of thing that fuels the stigma of mental illness.  Your belief that you can tell who's just being whiny and who isn't makes the world harder on people with real problems.
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RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
(January 17, 2017 at 3:12 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: lol, asking a question is "piling on"?

The more I read your screed, the more I think you haven't considered the possibility that you might be wrong in your assessment of mental issues being abused to get out of work, play for sympathy, etc.

As for me not having a single fact, I've got a lot of facts about mental issues and how they affect workers -- I've been a business manager most of my professional life -- and I personally don't agree completely with you or FNM regarding the topic. But I don't see the point of discussing this any more with you, because clearly you're looking for simple agreement, and getting butthurt that it isn't necessarily forthcoming.

I didn't see you mention the possibility I might be right. And did I say you didn't have a single fact about mental illness? What the fuck would I know about what you know about mental illness? You could be a clone of Freud for all I know. It should be pretty damned obvious that the "facts" to which I was referring were the facts of this case. You are confused of the difference between having "knowledge" of mental issues and "facts" of what I'm talking about.

I'm not looking for simple agreement. I don't give a fuck what you want to believe. But nobody here is a fucking moron (though it seems as if the two of you are heading toward calling me one, I'm better than that). If you don't see what you said that set me off, if you have all this "knowledge" of psychology and still don't understand why I might be a little bit pissed at this point and why your comment didn't help that then perhaps you don't know as much as you think you dol.

(January 17, 2017 at 4:06 pm)Faith No More Wrote: *sighs* So much for avoiding that bitch-fest, eh?
You kept pushing.

(January 17, 2017 at 4:06 pm)Faith No More Wrote: If you pull that stick out of your ass, Asmodee, maybe we can have a discussion instead of you just whining that people are telling you you're wrong. Speaking of pulling things out of your ass, pull your head out, too, so you can stop strawmanning the shit out of me and actually listen to what I have to say.

Firstly, no one is butthurt(except maybe you?), and no one is upset that there are whiny people. So, you can just let that shit go. Like I said, I learned a long time ago not to let ignorance about mental health bother me. If I did, I'd be in in a 24/7 rage.

So, your wife now has a psychology degree? Well, isn't that convenient.
Okay, now you're just being a prick because I won't roll over and agree with you. You pushed until I pushed back and now you're doing a little bitch character assault, insinuating I'm probably a liar because what I had to say didn't agree with you. I'm an atheist too, dickhead. I've played the same games and I know the same tactics. I certainly know enough to see a bitch move like that a mile away.

If you wanted a civil conversation, we'd be having one. I'm easy to get along with, if that's what you want. But what you want is validation that your problems are so fucking bad that nobody better say anything which might even possibly suggest that they're not. You know what? I actually fucking believe that. Like I said, I've seen it. I don't doubt for one fucking second that you have real issues deserving of a little fucking empathy. You've given me no reason to doubt you and, unlike you, I don't mind showing a little fucking respect and assuming that you're telling the truth until you give me reason not to. I know damned well a "civil conversation" isn't what you wanted, so this one is almost over. So get the last word in and we'll call it fucking good.
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RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
I didn't ask whether you had considered you might be right because your posts on this topic ooze with that self-assurance.

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RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
(January 17, 2017 at 6:19 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I didn't ask whether you had considered you might be right because your posts on this topic ooze with that self-assurance.

My wife has never given me reason to doubt her.  I don't know you.
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