welcome, care to stop by the intro forum and saying hello ?

(January 18, 2017 at 9:24 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: welcome, care to stop by the intro forum and saying hello ?

Sure.

Okay. Good luck with all of that.

Hi log. (OMG, CL's gonna love your user name)

Um, I'm a little slow and dense. What exactly does the OP have to do with or have implications for atheists/ism?

And if you don't mind, which god exists?

(January 18, 2017 at 9:32 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Hi log. (OMG, CL's gonna love your user name)

Um, I'm a little slow and dense. What exactly does the OP have to do with or have implications for atheists/ism?

Inasmuch as there is any theoretical foundation for a social order, atheism seems to have only one option, and that is private property - yet that very foundation negates itself by collapsing into totalitarianism and war, by the nature of private property: the issuance of threats to control others' behavior.  This seems to me to be a severe problem that atheists might want to pay attention to, in order to solve it - that is, find a foundation for social order that does not collapse into totalitarianism and war, and thus risk the extinction of the human race - as any order predicated upon threats and violence must so collapse.  If atheism does not afford such a foundation, and if an individual atheist would like something better than the world promised by private property, that would be a reason to look elsewhere for a foundation for a better world.

Quote:And if you don't mind, which god exists?

I believe in Jesus Christ.[/quote]

Atheism only has the option of private property? Which atheism holy text says that?

Still missing it. What does atheism have to do with private property? And how is this different from christens and private property?

Quote:The problem with any form of anarchism is that it assumes power vacuums can exist socially - they can't. Truth is, there will always be hierarchies in society, and people that want power will find a way to get it, no matter what the system is. In anarcho-capitalism we would simply have businessmen doing whatever they damn well pleased, without a government force to ever get in their way. The idea of a private police/court system is laughable, since the powerful would end up owning it. There are good arguments for limiting the powers of government, but they ain't in right-wing libertarianism -- they have utopian nonsolutions.

Hierarchy is the result of fear, which is both an emotional matrix, an ideology, and a rule of behavior.  We yield to the strong because it's better than dying, ultimately, and we oppress the weak so that we may negate the threat they represent to our security.  Another way to put it is that we are trying to impose our wills on the environment and others in order to attain security, and it doesn't work.  The libertarians are simply consistent and clear in their reasoning, which made them a ripe target for disproof.