The ones that didn't see anything either weren't staring at the sun or they stared too long.

The Church rewrote and revised the incident into something they could use.

possibly they changed some things but 70000 people is a hard lie and there is photo's of the crowd

Staring at sun. Staring at sun. Staring at the fuckmothering sun.

(January 23, 2017 at 12:28 pm)sneroul the thinker Wrote: its actually a combination but they main one is the miracle at fatima.

That's easy. If you stare at the sun long enough unprotected, a survival mechanism kicks in to try to save your sight. Your eyes make involuntary movements to move your pupils out of alignment with the sun. This involuntary motion makes it seem as if the sun is moving around. You can simulate the effect by moving your eye with your finger (I recommend touching it through the eyelid), since your eyes are being moved by something besides your voluntary eye movements, whatever you're looking at will seem to move around.

So here's what happened: Someone stared at the sun until it seemed to start to move around. They told someone who also stared at the sun until it 'started to move around'. Other people were amazed and wanted to see it for themselves, and so they did. On the other hand, a lot of people who were there didn't see a damn thing, probably because they were too smart to stare directly at the sun for very long.

Although the fact that the whole world would take notice (if we survived) if the sun actually moved around should have clued you in that it was some kind of illusion or hallucination.

(January 23, 2017 at 12:26 pm)sneroul the thinker Wrote: ok perhaps that sounds weird i could have stated it better so to make a long story short. i have found evidence for the judeo christian god aka the monster of the old testament and its bothering my sub subconscious very much.

And what, pray tell, is this "evidence?"

(January 23, 2017 at 12:56 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(January 23, 2017 at 12:28 pm)sneroul the thinker Wrote: its actually a combination but they main one is the miracle at fatima.

That's easy. If you stare at the sun long enough unprotected, a survival mechanism kicks in to try to save your sight. Your eyes make involuntary movements to move your pupils out of alignment with the sun. This involuntary motion makes it seem as if the sun is moving around. You can simulate the effect by moving your eye with your finger (I recommend touching it through the eyelid), since your eyes are being moved by something besides your voluntary eye movements, whatever you're looking at will seem to move around.

So here's what happened: Someone stared at the sun until it seemed to start to move around. They told someone who also stared at the sun until it 'started to move around'. Other people were amazed and wanted to see it for themselves, and so they did. On the other hand, a lot of people who were there didn't see a damn thing, probably because they were too smart to stare directly at the sun for very long.

Although the fact that the whole world would take notice (if we survived0 if the sun actually moved around should have clued you in that it was some kind of illusion or hallucination.

That's basically exactly what I said.

Hell I don't pay it much mind when loads of people swear they've been abducted by aliens in the night nowadays. Why would I pay it any more attention when the weird shit happened in the past?

(January 23, 2017 at 12:20 pm)sneroul the thinker Wrote: Hello i wish to engage in a conversation with someone. I recently heard of evidence for belief and that is not good news atleast for me i would like an discussion with an open minded person please.

I'm positive beliefs exist.

(January 23, 2017 at 12:53 pm)sneroul the thinker Wrote: possibly they changed some things but 70000 people is a hard lie and there is photo's of the crowd

A bunch of mostly ignorant peasants, with religious predilections, all gather expecting to see verification of their religious beliefs, and miracle of miracles, the get what they were expecting.

Please...

There are so many things wrong with this story, that I don't even know where to start.

The sun supposedly dances around in the sky, yet not a single astronomer anywhere in the area, or the world, detects a thing?!

"Well, but that is part of the miracle. That it did not effect the world, only the locals". Welll... isn't that convenient?

Other possible explanations:

There was a known huge dust cloud over western Europe at the time from massive dust storms in the Sahara that year. Which definitely caused optical effects in the sky seen in other parts of Europe.

A sundog.





But screw the more likely natural explanations. Must have been a god.