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Doubt in disbelief
#31
RE: Doubt in disbelief
(January 23, 2017 at 3:52 pm)Mamacita Wrote: Reminds me of fasting.
Don't eat for several days and just pray and read the Bible. You'll enter a spiritual realm where you can see things that you're normally incapable of seeing, ya know, because you're healthy.

Much as Native Americans would practice rituals like the smoke ceremony or being strung up by the skin to aid receiving visions.

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#32
RE: Doubt in disbelief
(January 23, 2017 at 12:20 pm)sneroul the thinker Wrote: Hello i wish to engage in a conversation with someone. I recently heard of evidence for belief and that is not good news atleast for me i would like an discussion with an open minded person please.

You'll get lots of people claiming there is evidence for the legitimacy of belief, you just can't ever get any of them to actually present said evidence, mostly because it doesn't actually exist.  Is this something you need to talk about?
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#33
RE: Doubt in disbelief
(January 23, 2017 at 1:12 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Hell I don't pay it much mind when loads of people swear they've been abducted by aliens in the night nowadays.  

The "abducted by aliens" thing was most likely a Sleep Paralysis episode (AKA Old Hag Syndrome).  I am quite familiar with this as I experience it myself from time to time.  The hallucinations can be visual, auditory, tactile or a combination but they can seem very real and they can sometimes be quite terrifying.   

If you every have an episode yourself, you will understand why some people will believe in things like ghosts, demons and aliens.  It's really just all in your head though.  It's nothing more than a benign and harmless stress and fatigue induced sleep disorder but it will freak you out if you don't understand what is actually going on...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

[QUOTE]The Nightmare is a 2015 documentary that discusses the causes of sleep paralysis as seen through extensive interviews with participants, and the experiences are re-enacted by professional actors. In synopsis, it proposes that such cultural memes as alien abduction, the near death experience and shadow people can, in many cases, be attributed to sleep paralysis. {/QUOTE]
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#34
RE: Doubt in disbelief
I was there! I saw it too!

I saw a kid riding a bike with something in the basket fly across the sun! Or was it the moon? I can't remember...
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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#35
RE: Doubt in disbelief
I'm Portuguese. I've read the account published on the newspaper the day after the event. Not convinced.
At best, sooner people saw the sun wobbling in the sky... While people right next to them saw nothing.

So, I'd wager that there's a better explanation to the phenomenon than good did it. If God did it, then everyone would have seen the same thing.

The place is called "Cova da Iria", cova meaning Hole in the ground.
It's a hole, a large dip, which after the heavy rain of that morning and the hot sun that followed, would produce some nice up-draft of moist air... The kind that produces mirages...
Do you know what a mirage is?
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#36
RE: Doubt in disbelief
Stare at the sun, you get visions. Put your hand in a mangle, you get fingers that look like raw carne asada. *shrug*

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#37
RE: Doubt in disbelief
colorful metaphor there !
 The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it. 




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#38
RE: Doubt in disbelief
(January 23, 2017 at 5:28 pm)pocaracas Wrote: I'm Portuguese. I've read the account published on the newspaper the day after the event. Not convinced.
At best, sooner people saw the sun wobbling in the sky... While people right next to them saw nothing.

So, I'd wager that there's a better explanation to the phenomenon than good did it. If God did it, then everyone would have seen the same thing.

The place is called "Cova da Iria", cova meaning Hole in the ground.
It's a hole, a large dip, which after the heavy rain of that morning and the hot sun that followed, would produce some nice up-draft of moist air... The kind that produces mirages...
Do you know what a mirage is?

Not only would everyone at the site have seen the same thing, but so too would everyone on the planet.  The sun can't just wobble in one place and be still in another.  That means that something else is going on.
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#39
RE: Doubt in disbelief
(January 23, 2017 at 6:23 pm)Cephus Wrote:
(January 23, 2017 at 5:28 pm)pocaracas Wrote: I'm Portuguese. I've read the account published on the newspaper the day after the event. Not convinced.
At best, sooner people saw the sun wobbling in the sky... While people right next to them saw nothing.

So, I'd wager that there's a better explanation to the phenomenon than good did it. If God did it, then everyone would have seen the same thing.

The place is called "Cova da Iria", cova meaning Hole in the ground.
It's a hole, a large dip, which after the heavy rain of that morning and the hot sun that followed, would produce some nice up-draft of moist air... The kind that produces mirages...
Do you know what a mirage is?

Not only would everyone at the site have seen the same thing, but so too would everyone on the planet.  The sun can't just wobble in one place and be still in another.  That means that something else is going on.

Nah... once you allow for miracles, that argument is out the window - Every observation is compatible with God magic
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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#40
RE: Doubt in disbelief
(January 23, 2017 at 6:41 pm)Alex K Wrote:
(January 23, 2017 at 6:23 pm)Cephus Wrote: Not only would everyone at the site have seen the same thing, but so too would everyone on the planet.  The sun can't just wobble in one place and be still in another.  That means that something else is going on.

Nah... once you allow for miracles, that argument is out the window - Every observation is compatible with God magic

Meaning once you throw reason out the window, anything goes.  Nope, not a chance in hell.
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