In other news, Constantine had a dream . . . .

(January 23, 2017 at 12:53 pm)sneroul the thinker Wrote: possibly they changed some things but 70000 people is a hard lie and there is photo's of the crowd

These were not skeptics, they were Catholics, expecting to see a miracle, or else they wouldn't have been there.

Just a small amount of research on how faulty the human memory can be, and our need to confirm the consensus of our peers, should give you an inkling of how such a story can be created.

From an article on skeptoid.com:

"Most of what's popularly reported about the sun incident, such as the colors and the spinning, comes from Father John de Marchi, a Catholic priest who spent years interviewing eyewitnesses to build evidence supporting the miraculous event. But more objective assessments of the eyewitness accounts have found very little evidence of a single shared experience. Author Kevin McClure, who also compiled eyewitness accounts, reported that he had "never seen such a collection of contradictory accounts in any of the research I have done in the past 10 years." If you were there, as a devout Catholic (otherwise you wouldn't be there), you fully believed in a miracle happening that day (otherwise you wouldn't be there), whether you personally saw anything or not you'd support the majority opinion, and probably go to your grave insisting that a miracle happened there. There's no surprise that Father de Marchi was able to form a consensus description of a spinning color wheel of a sun, and no need for any actual event to justify his consensus."


So, please don't think you are thinking critically about this alleged 'evidence' for a god you think you have found.

(January 23, 2017 at 12:28 pm)sneroul the thinker Wrote: its actually a combination but they main one is the miracle at fatima.

I see you are a traveller from ages past, our strange devices must seem like magic to you!

Used to be Yahweh split seas in half and turned people into salt. Nowadays he induces the sort of retinal damage typically associated with staring at the sun in people who are currently staring at the sun.

So Fatima is utter BS, what's next?
Not sure how that supposedly invokes the OT deity but I suppose you take from an optical illusion what you want to...

(January 23, 2017 at 12:53 pm)sneroul the thinker Wrote: possibly they changed some things but 70000 people is a hard lie and there is photo's of the crowd

Ya see, there is the problem. They were pointing the camera at the wrong subject.

Even if every person on the planet believed something, that does not make it any more true. Like mh just said, point the camera at the right angle to show that is true. Showing us what people believe doesn't do a damn thing for me.

(January 23, 2017 at 12:53 pm)sneroul the thinker Wrote: possibly they changed some things but 70000 people is a hard lie and there is photo's of the crowd

When people really analysed where these reports really come from, and what actually happened there, it was quite underwhelming. The 70000 people jointly witnessing a particular miracle is not a reliable fact and was embellished and exaggerated after the fact by some reporters.

I'm pretty sure the Aztecs would sometimes sacrifice more people than that in a single ceremony just to keep the sun from turning off.

Reminds me of fasting.
Don't eat for several days and just pray and read the Bible. You'll enter a spiritual realm where you can see things that you're normally incapable of seeing, ya know, because you're healthy.