True, but if one has had experience with dealing with a number of these things (no they are not human), they tend to develop a sense of radar in knowing when to spot a bullshitter narcissist.

(January 25, 2017 at 6:16 am)Nymphadora Wrote: True, but if one has had experience with dealing with a number of these things (no they are not human), they tend to develop a sense of radar in knowing when to spot a bullshitter narcissist.

Or rather a person exhibiting narcissistic traits who is not necessarily suffering from the disorder. This is however a hunch not a diagnosis.

(January 25, 2017 at 5:37 am)Vic Wrote: You can't really diagnose people having never spoken to them. Especially if you're not a psychiatrist. Double especially if you're taking your information from the Internet.

There's also the issue, as it was explained to me by a practicing Ph.d in psychology, that the diagnostic criteria can be easily misinterpreted by people not trained in the field because they use specialized language who's meaning is not necessarily the same as common usage. This was in the context of self-diagnosis but I think it applies here as well.

That being said, I believe he does in fact exhibit signs of the dark triad as Rev. Rye suggested. I don't think that necessarily is indicative of a disorder.

(January 25, 2017 at 6:27 am)Vic Wrote:

(January 25, 2017 at 6:16 am)Nymphadora Wrote: True, but if one has had experience with dealing with a number of these things (no they are not human), they tend to develop a sense of radar in knowing when to spot a bullshitter narcissist.

Or rather a person exhibiting narcissistic traits who is not necessarily suffering from the disorder. This is however a hunch not a diagnosis.

I don't think people with NPD suffer. Anyone who has ever dealt with those people know they pretty much all read from the same script and they actively seek out victims in order to keep their supply going.

Not getting into this further. I see your point, but I can also hope that you see mine. Do I know the orange turd is a narcissist? No, I don't. But then again, I don't really care about him either.

So I get it it's an emotional response from your part to say NPD's don't actually suffer any kind of problems but they actually really do suffer from it.

It is also important to recognize that there are DEGREES of Narcissistic Personality Disorder;
some bona fide Narcissists do not manifest EVERY symptom on the list,
yet are "worse" Narcissists than many who do.

Also:  just because someone is not a doctor,
doesn't mean that they're necessarily incorrect in their assessment as someone else's behavior being Narcissistic.

I'm not a vet,
but if I see a wild animal foaming at the mouth and convulsing,
I'm going to hedge my bets that it may well be rabid.

It could be poisoned, or something else...but it may very well be rabid.

(And in either case, it is not fit to be President of the United States).

However, I also find it interesting to consider that there are many politicians who excel at presenting one, "healthy" personality to the public,
but in private, are a nightmare to work with, when manifesting their "true" personality;
having learned to hide their socially unacceptable traits from the people whose opinions matter,
(which is something Narcissists are said to excel at);

which must beg the question:  Is Trump, possibly, by some miracle, the exact opposite?

I can't stand Trump's "public personality";
but as I keep saying, I hope I'm completely wrong about the man:

Maybe, just maybe,
he publicly presents himself as a total ass, thus appealing to the vast voter-base of asses out there,

but hopefully his "true" self is a smart man simply thinking outside the box:

by publicly being an ass, he appeals-to, manipulates, and then yokes the brute voter strength of America's huge "idiot demographic"
(not saying all Americans are idiots, by any means....merely stating that there IS a substantial quotient of America that IS idiotic).

At least I hope so.  I hope Trump is secretly the biggest Dem of them all...

...but I somehow doubt it.

Yeah, MTL that seems exceedingly unlikely.

BTW, welcome back.

(January 25, 2017 at 10:22 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Yeah, MTL that seems exceedingly unlikely.

BTW, welcome back.

Thanks.  Finally had some time and access to a computer!

(January 24, 2017 at 9:06 pm)Cato Wrote: I can't argue with the diagnosis and agree that Trump can reasonably be said to have most traits. The problem is that anyone seeking significant positions of power will have most of these traits. I almost think that it's a prerequisite for high office.

According to a number of studies, this is indeed the case. Quite a number of CEOs fall into that category - as well as serial offenders.

(January 24, 2017 at 9:06 pm)Cato Wrote: I can't argue with the diagnosis and agree that Trump can reasonably be said to have most traits. The problem is that anyone seeking significant positions of power will have most of these traits. I almost think that it's a prerequisite for high office.

Yes, I agree that many successful people such as CEO's can exhibit psychopathic tendencies for example and that it has no affect on their jobs. It may even help, but....

this is why it has always been incorrect to think that the job of the president is the same as the job of a business executive or business owner. Those who believe a top CEO automatically makes a great president are just wrong. 
If the president pulls out of an alliance because of a perceived slight or starts a war because he feels he has been personally disrespected this can cost lots of money and lots of lives. It's not like a CEO launching a hostile takeover that fails.

I think a president with a personality disorder is possibly one of the most dangerous situations I can think of.