(January 25, 2017 at 6:13 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Is this where we have to explain that brain chemistry exists and alterations to it can have serious effects on how someone perceives things?

Evidently, apparently, yes...

(January 24, 2017 at 8:49 pm)arda101 Wrote: This is a man who apparently used to be an atheist, but then during his NDE he was tortured in hell until he called out to Jesus. He was a former arts prof so in his NDE he saw 80 new primary colours, and he was able to predict world events in the future. He became a priest afterwards. What do you guys think, assuming he was not lying about his experience?

Do I believe he has some sort of experience? Yes.

The chemistry of the brain when it is dying, is going haywire. It is a natural effect of a human brain being in distress.

Do I believe he predicted world events? Or went to hell? No.

There is no reason to evoke the supernatural, for that which we have better natural explanations for.

I seem to be seeing a common thread in the forum threads you've been starting.

You seem to think that, if there is no definitive explanation for some phenomena, that gives some sort of credence to a supernatural explanation. But that is not the case.

At this point I would recommend a book written by Car Sagan called "The Demon Haunted World". It is basically a bullshit detector. No offense, but your critical thinking skills are not the best.

(January 25, 2017 at 6:32 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:

(January 24, 2017 at 8:49 pm)arda101 Wrote: This is a man who apparently used to be an atheist, but then during his NDE he was tortured in hell until he called out to Jesus. He was a former arts prof so in his NDE he saw 80 new primary colours, and he was able to predict world events in the future. He became a priest afterwards. What do you guys think, assuming he was not lying about his experience?

Do I believe he has some sort of experience? Yes.

The chemistry of the brain when it is dying, is going haywire. It is a natural effect of a human brain being in distress.

Do I believe he predicted world events? Or went to hell? No.

There is no reason to evoke the supernatural, for that which we have better natural explanations for.

I seem to be seeing a common thread in the forum threads you've been starting.

You seem to think that, if there is no definitive explanation for some phenomena, that gives some sort of credence to a supernatural explanation. But that is not the case.

At this point I would recommend a book written by Car Sagan called "The Demon Haunted World". It is basically a bullshit detector. No offense, but your critical thinking skills are not the best.

And even if we didn't have a natural explanation it still doesn't mean it was supernatural or what he believes he experienced

You guys just don't get it.  

You keep on saying that the brain can do this or that but in a NDE the brain is 100% dead as diagnosed by qualified doctors.
Are you better than qualified doctors?

If would come 100% clear in your mind that in a NDE the consciousness take over and show that is part of the universal mind then you would have no chances but admit that you failed.
An entire life of failing thinking that God doesn't exist.  

1 Nope I have never heard of an NDE where the patient was declared brain dead, always it was a stopped heart and breathing.

2 HS doesn't seem to have met those criteria, he simply passed out and hallucinated.
I call Man-Flu on this shit.

(January 26, 2017 at 10:21 am)Mr Greene Wrote: 1 Nope I have never heard of an NDE where the patient was declared brain dead, always it was a stopped heart and breathing.

2 HS doesn't seem to have met those criteria, he simply passed out and hallucinated.
I call Man-Flu on this shit.

Don't fool yourself mate.

It is really bad for you.


http://www.near-death.com/science/eviden...-dead.html

And you can be certain that the surgeon didn't botch the tests? You have an anecdote, you can't perform a statistical analysis on 1.
I sense a surgeon covering his arse and the law of unintended consequences.

(January 26, 2017 at 8:38 am)Little Rik Wrote: You guys just don't get it.  

You keep on saying that the brain can do this or that but in a NDE the brain is 100% dead as diagnosed by qualified doctors.
Are you better than qualified doctors?

The problem is that you are completely incorrect about this.  

Anyone who experiences brain activity is not brain dead and therefore not dead.  

NEAR - Death - Experience .... get it?  NEARLY-,  ALMOST-  but NOT QUITE- dead.  See the difference?

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If you've stopped taking your meds I suggest you get back on them.

I think his whole posting history is a near meds experience.

I believe that theists like LittleRik who do not believe in absolute death, can easily get confused by terms like NDE.

To them it's just either this side of heaven or the other side. A simple mistake anyone can make.