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RE: What would change your mind?
February 21, 2017 at 2:56 pm
There can never be any evidence of a god because gods are indistinguishable from highly advanced aliens pretending to be gods.
This is what it means for something to be unfalsifiable.
I rest my case.
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RE: What would change your mind?
February 21, 2017 at 2:59 pm
(February 21, 2017 at 2:53 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (February 21, 2017 at 2:37 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: If you want the Abrahamic deity I'd need archaeological corroboration on key figures; eg. Moses and Solomon.
That's a pretty low bar.
Even if the human characters in the OT actually existed, how in the world would that provide any evidence for the existence of Yahweh, and all his magical powers?
I don't see the connection.
There's pretty good evidence that at least some of the characters in Homer's Iliad and Odyssey existed (Mycenaean, Hittite and other geological evidence seem to corroborate at least some). Does that lead to credence that Zeus existed?
Indeed it is a low bar, the fact that they have spectacularly failed to clear it (Moses is a rip off of Sargon and Solomon's monotheistic kingdom was swarming with polytheistic temples...) is rather telling.
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RE: What would change your mind?
February 21, 2017 at 3:00 pm
(February 21, 2017 at 12:56 pm)TheRealJoeFish Wrote: This has been asked a whole bunch of times before, so a search on the forum will turn up lots of results from people before. Also we like it when new people introduce themselves.
But how about this: If I was walking outside, and rays of light appeared before me, and a man descended from the sky, and said, "hey buddy, I'm Jesus" and told me intimate details about my life and said "yeah, it is all real... I know, I know, lots of rules and such, but, trust me, it's for the best" and then he walked out into the middle of a lake and made the lake wine and then rose into the sky again, I would honestly believe. My three options would be 1) it's real, 2) it's something else like aliens or mind control, or 3) I'm totally out of my mind, and I figure in that instance 1 would be just as likely as 2, and if it was 3 and I *was* totally out of my mind, I would be so crazy as to not realize it, and I'd still go with #1.
You didn't consider 4: your best friend since childhood got plastic surgery in an effort to play the most intricate prank ever. Idiot!
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RE: What would change your mind?
February 21, 2017 at 3:05 pm
Is it true that young earth creationists have big noses so they can change their minds manually?
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RE: What would change your mind?
February 21, 2017 at 5:45 pm
(February 21, 2017 at 2:42 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: A personal appearance and a scientifically verifiable miracle would be a good start.
Then it wouldn't be a miracle, would it?
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RE: What would change your mind?
February 21, 2017 at 6:29 pm
(February 21, 2017 at 5:45 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (February 21, 2017 at 2:42 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: A personal appearance and a scientifically verifiable miracle would be a good start.
Then it wouldn't be a miracle, would it?
What, an amputee's leg growing back, verified by science wouldn't be a miracle?
A person's cancer being cured, and being seen to happen by scientists wouldn't be a miracle?
I don't think you have much faith in your imaginary friend.
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RE: What would change your mind?
February 21, 2017 at 6:40 pm
Payed me a large sum of money and I'd be a believer, I'm a simple man.
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RE: What would change your mind?
February 21, 2017 at 7:43 pm
Objectively demonstrable evidence. Nothing less.
There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide mankind that cannot be achieved as well or better through secular means.
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RE: What would change your mind?
February 21, 2017 at 7:48 pm
I would be willing to change my mind about the existence of God if a Being descended from on high and explained to me in clear, concise and convincing detail why Adam Sandler is still allowed to make films.
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RE: What would change your mind?
February 21, 2017 at 8:54 pm
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(February 21, 2017 at 12:46 pm)hyperchord24 Wrote: I hope this is the right place to post this and I wonder if the subject has been broached before. What could God do to prove his existence? Everyone runs around saying, I can't see him, so sorry. If you asked a christian, they'd say the bible proves his existence. Forget that. What sort of things would he have to do to prove it. Show his face from the heavens? Flood the earth? End all suffering? What could make you change your mind?
Greetings, hyperchord24, and welcome to AF. IMO, I'd also ask the following question: at what point is a belief system no longer valid, and when does it become a projection of someone's personal truths and thought patterns?
Now, in the spirit of the bolded examples in the quote above, suppose such a lifeform showed up on Earth and was able to do all of the things in your post along with doing anything that it wanted (it could tap into your brain and know every thought that you've conceived of in your lifetime): it could perform any miracle, whether it be biblical, scientific, or things that we haven't even conceived of yet. Now, what if this life-form said that it was not a God and that the religious beliefs of humanity's theists are wrong: it could actually demonstrate this with its knowledge, advanced abilities, and etc. Furthermore, suppose it told humanity that humanity's way of understanding reality was extremely limited but it was willing to teach them to think in new ways. Collectively, do you think humanity would be open-minded enough to learn from it and put their pre-conceptions on the sideline?
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