(February 20, 2017 at 6:15 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The reason is to test us and see which one actually truly loves him...

I always love the answer that God has to test people to find out what she already knew since before creation.

(February 21, 2017 at 12:09 pm)Asmodee Wrote:

(February 20, 2017 at 6:15 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The reason is to test us and see which one actually truly loves him...

I always love the answer that God has to test people to find out what she already knew since before creation.

And the word "love" in this context is pretty far from the common definition.

(February 20, 2017 at 2:23 pm)Asmodee Wrote:

(February 18, 2017 at 2:28 am)Godschild Wrote:

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I do not have a problem with your memory and I'm not whining. You read my post or otherwise you would not have responded to it and the information was right in front of you,no need for memory. I will say that you need somekind of memory if you are going to participate in discussions or reread a lot of posts, it's not our fault you have bad memory nor is it Jesus fault. So please quit gripping at me about your bad memory.

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Okay, fuck you.  Having a bad memory is a disability, bitch.  There are so many things which give the the absolute right to participate in a conversation.  The Americans With Disabilities Act and the First Amendment.  But you want to be a whiny little bitch about it.  So, all right.  Conversation over.  You're a dumb fuck who is too fucking stupid to understand the difference between "God the son" and "Jesus Christ" anyway and you prefer to invent all kinds of bullshit to keep reality from intruding into your pathetic fantasy world anyway.  Frankly I am sick of people making fun of me and putting me down for having a bad memory.  I've put up with it my entire fucking life and it's getting a little old.  But you're the first piece of shit to suggest that I have fewer rights because I have a bad memory, so kudos for that one, prick.

You are to quick to judge others, I meant no disrespect I thought you were referring to bad memory due to age, my memory isn`t what it use to be because of my age and I adjust to it. I'm sorry for hurting your feelings but, maybe it would not have happened if you were to first explain it's a disability I can't read minds. Your language is quite distasteful to me yet I let it go to keep the conversation going.
I do know the difference between the Son of God and Jesus, none. At the baptism of Jesus the Father said, "this is My Son." This is a reference to the same person, Jesus the Son of God.

GC

(February 23, 2017 at 1:24 am)Godschild Wrote: You are to quick to judge others, I meant no disrespect I thought you were referring to bad memory due to age, my memory isn`t what it use to be because of my age and I adjust to it. I'm sorry for hurting your feelings but, maybe it would not have happened if you were to first explain it's a disability I can't read minds. Your language is quite distasteful to me yet I let it go to keep the conversation going.
I do know the difference between the Son of God and Jesus, none. At the baptism of Jesus the Father said, "this is My Son." This is a reference to the same person, Jesus the Son of God.

GC

I wasn't judging, I was pissed.  I've been chided my whole life for my memory, as if I have some control over it.  And whether it's my entire life or a recent development due to age doesn't determine whether or not it is a disability.  Having something not work right is what it is.  ANYTHING which doesn't work right is a disability.  A guy in a wheelchair shouldn't have to explain to you that he's disabled.  A guy who REPEATEDLY tells you he has a bad memory should have to explain to you that he has no control over that.  My language got distasteful when you repeatedly disrespected me.

That said, I did overreact and I apologize.  My memory is scary-bad sometimes and Alzheimer's terrifies me.  If you know anything about psychology then you know a common human reaction to fear is to lash out.  That's what happened.

As I've said, there is a difference between God the son and Jesus.  As YOU have said, God the son always was.  But Jesus was born.  He lived.  He died.  He was resurrected.  God the son cannot be tempted because he is God, only.  Jesus was tempted.  Yes, they are the same person in one sense, but in another they are not.

Think of it like body and soul.  Let's assume that God created all the souls for all the people who ever would be during that six days.  They are off somewhere, waiting to be born as a human being.  Now let's say there is one soul waiting for a body.  We'll call him Jeff.  Jeff is a soul waiting to be put into a body.  That body hasn't been conceived yet.  When it is, at the appropriate time, God will put Jeff the soul into the body and Jeff will eventually be born as a brand new person, live his life and die.  So did Jeff always exist or was Jeff born, live to be 83 years old and die a grandfather?  Well, both.  But Jeff the soul is different than Jeff the man.  Being Jeff the man changes Jeff the soul.  Jeff the soul, before Jeff the man, was innocent.  He had never been tempted.  He had never sinned.  When Jeff the man was born his trials began and Jeff the soul was changed by life in flesh.  Before that Jeff the soul was eternal and unchanging.  If judgement had happened before Jeff the soul got a body then Jeff the soul goes straight to Heaven.  After he got a body and lived his life, only then is it up to him.

A very straightforward case can be made that, without a body, a soul never changes.  That's why there is no forgiveness after death.  That's why your place in the afterlife will be eternal.  I don't think you would argue with the statement that no soul cast into Hell will ever attain redemption and a place in Heaven, just as no soul in Heaven will ever fall and be cast into Hell.  The soul, without flesh, is eternal and unchanging.  It is only through flesh that the spirit can change, be tested, be tempted, be tried.

And that is the difference between God the son and Jesus.  Jesus was tempted for 40 days.  Could the Holy Spirit be tempted?  Could God be tempted?  No and no.  Could God the son, without the flesh, be tempted?  No.  Could Jesus have failed the test?  Was it possible for him to fail?  Yes.  If it weren't possible then his trial would have been pointless.  Flesh made him weak.  Flesh made him different.  Flesh made it possible to tempt him.  He fasted for 40 days.  Is that a problem for a god?  No.  They don't eat.  But it is a problem for a man, and a big one.  Is a god tempted to have sex?  No.  Was Jesus?  Absolutely.  If his parts worked and biology worked then as it does now he was absolutely tempted to have sex.  Can this world offer ANYTHING which might have the most remote chance of ever tempting a god, ESPECIALLY the god who made it all?  No.  But this world can certainly tempt a man.

I really don't understand why this is such a difficult concept for you.  God the son is spirit, Jesus was flesh AND spirit.  There is a HUGE difference between the two.  God the son always was, Jesus was born, lived, died and was resurrected.  Yes, the two are the same "person".  But that in no way means there is no difference.

Getting back to why we're even having this stupid argument, you said that "free will" is the choice to accept, specifically, Christ or reject him and that has always been the choice.  You are wrong about that.  You just are.  First, the term "free will" is a lot more general than you are making it, but let's put that aside and just look at "accepting Christ".  Why Christ?  Why would you have to accept a specific, single aspect of God only?  Isn't the choice really to accept "God"?  The Christ was merely a pathway to God as a whole, not the end-all, worship only this part of God.  The Christ is not a specific object of worship, just one of three aspects of God.  It is God, as a whole, which we are required to accept.  That is why there was no mention of accepting Christ or God the son in the Old Testament, just accepting God.  The Christ is not special.  It's not God's best part.  You can't accept only the Christ but not the other two parts.  This was NEVER the choice.  It isn't even the choice now.  The Christ is merely the path by which you get to God as a whole.  You were wrong with that statement.

(February 20, 2017 at 2:23 pm)Asmodee Wrote: Okay, fuck you.  Having a bad memory is a disability, bitch.  There are so many things which give the the absolute right to participate in a conversation.  The Americans With Disabilities Act and the First Amendment.  But you want to be a whiny little bitch about it.  So, all right.  Conversation over.  You're a dumb fuck who is too fucking stupid to understand the difference between "God the son" and "Jesus Christ" anyway and you prefer to invent all kinds of bullshit to keep reality from intruding into your pathetic fantasy world anyway.  Frankly I am sick of people making fun of me and putting me down for having a bad memory.  I've put up with it my entire fucking life and it's getting a little old.  But you're the first piece of shit to suggest that I have fewer rights because I have a bad memory, so kudos for that one, prick.

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You seem to be claiming a disability. Have you been diagnosed with a disability? If yes, can you tell us what that diagnosis is?

(February 23, 2017 at 1:02 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(February 20, 2017 at 2:23 pm)Asmodee Wrote: Okay, fuck you.  Having a bad memory is a disability, bitch.  There are so many things which give the the absolute right to participate in a conversation.  The Americans With Disabilities Act and the First Amendment.  But you want to be a whiny little bitch about it.  So, all right.  Conversation over.  You're a dumb fuck who is too fucking stupid to understand the difference between "God the son" and "Jesus Christ" anyway and you prefer to invent all kinds of bullshit to keep reality from intruding into your pathetic fantasy world anyway.  Frankly I am sick of people making fun of me and putting me down for having a bad memory.  I've put up with it my entire fucking life and it's getting a little old.  But you're the first piece of shit to suggest that I have fewer rights because I have a bad memory, so kudos for that one, prick.

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You seem to be claiming a disability. Have you been diagnosed with a disability? If yes, can you tell us what that diagnosis is?

dis·a·bil·i·ty - a physical or mental condition that limits a person's movements, senses, or activities.

My medical charts are frankly none of your business.

@OP Q.

For shits and giggles?  At least, that's what it sounds like when we hear these stories.

(February 23, 2017 at 2:56 pm)Asmodee Wrote:

(February 23, 2017 at 1:02 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: bold mine

You seem to be claiming a disability. Have you been diagnosed with a disability? If yes, can you tell us what that diagnosis is?

dis·a·bil·i·ty - a physical or mental condition that limits a person's movements, senses, or activities.

My medical charts are frankly none of your business.

I'll take that as a no and you are self diagnosed. Someone claiming to have an ADA qualified disability when they don't does not sit well with me. Are you that person?

(February 23, 2017 at 3:04 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(February 23, 2017 at 2:56 pm)Asmodee Wrote: dis·a·bil·i·ty - a physical or mental condition that limits a person's movements, senses, or activities.

My medical charts are frankly none of your business.

I'll take that as a no and you are self diagnosed. Someone claiming to have an ADA qualified disability when they don't does not sit well with me. Are you that person?

So what the fuck is it you're actually asking me?

Are you asking if memory problems are a disability?  I'm not your fucking kindergarten teacher.  Google it.

Are you asking if I have memory problems?  I said I did, and not just once.  Look at my SECOND introduction message.  I'm not sure why you would question that, and really I don't give a fuck if you believe me or not.

Are you asking the level of my cognitive impairment?  Why?  Are we best friends and you are truly concerned for me?  It's none of your fucking business.

Are you asking for my medical history regarding this alleged issue?  Fuck you.  Would you ask for my x-rays if I had said I was paralyzed?  And if so, fuck you again.

Given the parts that you bolded of what I said it would appear that you are asking two things.

First.  Is having a bad memory a disability?  Google it and it should take you too long to come across the Disability Social Security web page.  When applying for Disability benefits they ask up to two questions.  The first, "Is what you have a disability?"  If, and ONLY if the answer to that question is "yes" they go on to ask the second question, "Is your impairment severe enough to qualify for benefits?"  The SS page you will come across is asking that second question.  And why the hell would I have to prove something to you that's so easy to look up?

The second part you've bolded suggests that you are questioning my claim of having a bad memory altogether.  I don't know what to tell you, dude.  Believe it or don't.  That's up to you.

But the actual question you've asked is "Have I been diagnosed".  Again, that is none of your business.  Again, if I has claimed to be in a wheelchair would you have questioned if I had been diagnosed with a disability?  If I had claimed to be an amputee would you have asked if a doctor had told me that I was an amputee?  Let me ask you something.  How big a prick would you be if you asked someone for their medical records to prove they couldn't walk?

I made two claims.  The first, I said I have a bad memory, bad enough that it scares me sometimes.  Take me on my word there or don't.

The second, I said that a bad memory was a disability.  You don't have to take my word for that.  Google will tell you all about cognitive disorders and the different levels and diagnoses possible for memory problems.  Google will take you to the Disability Social Security page where you can see what level of impairment is required to qualify for disability benefits.

So you pound your damned chest and pretend that you fucking know something about me all you want.  Not only am I under no obligation to share my medical information with you, you are a prick for asking.  It is un-fucking cool.  I have a bad memory, memory problems are a disability.  Both of those things are true.  Whether I have been officially diagnosed and, un-fucking-believably, what was my diagnosis, that's still none of your fucking business.  What the fuck made you think it was okay to ask me that?

(February 23, 2017 at 4:03 pm)Asmodee Wrote:

(February 23, 2017 at 3:04 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: I'll take that as a no and you are self diagnosed. Someone claiming to have an ADA qualified disability when they don't does not sit well with me. Are you that person?

So what the fuck is it you're actually asking me?

Are you asking if memory problems are a disability?  I'm not your fucking kindergarten teacher.  Google it.

Are you asking if I have memory problems?  I said I did, and not just once.  Look at my SECOND introduction message.  I'm not sure why you would question that, and really I don't give a fuck if you believe me or not.

Are you asking the level of my cognitive impairment?  Why?  Are we best friends and you are truly concerned for me?  It's none of your fucking business.

Are you asking for my medical history regarding this alleged issue?  Fuck you.  Would you ask for my x-rays if I had said I was paralyzed?  And if so, fuck you again.

Given the parts that you bolded of what I said it would appear that you are asking two things.

First.  Is having a bad memory a disability?  Google it and it should take you too long to come across the Disability Social Security web page.  When applying for Disability benefits they ask up to two questions.  The first, "Is what you have a disability?"  If, and ONLY if the answer to that question is "yes" they go on to ask the second question, "Is your impairment severe enough to qualify for benefits?"  The SS page you will come across is asking that second question.  And why the hell would I have to prove something to you that's so easy to look up?

The second part you've bolded suggests that you are questioning my claim of having a bad memory altogether.  I don't know what to tell you, dude.  Believe it or don't.  That's up to you.

But the actual question you've asked is "Have I been diagnosed".  Again, that is none of your business.  Again, if I has claimed to be in a wheelchair would you have questioned if I had been diagnosed with a disability?  If I had claimed to be an amputee would you have asked if a doctor had told me that I was an amputee?  Let me ask you something.  How big a prick would you be if you asked someone for their medical records to prove they couldn't walk?

I made two claims.  The first, I said I have a bad memory, bad enough that it scares me sometimes.  Take me on my word there or don't.

The second, I said that a bad memory was a disability.  You don't have to take my word for that.  Google will tell you all about cognitive disorders and the different levels and diagnoses possible for memory problems.  Google will take you to the Disability Social Security page where you can see what level of impairment is required to qualify for disability benefits.

So you pound your damned chest and pretend that you fucking know something about me all you want.  Not only am I under no obligation to share my medical information with you, you are a prick for asking.  It is un-fucking cool.  I have a bad memory, memory problems are a disability.  Both of those things are true.  Whether I have been officially diagnosed and, un-fucking-believably, what was my diagnosis, that's still none of your fucking business.  What the fuck made you think it was okay to ask me that?

So self diagnosed and claiming that you meet the requirements of the ADA with no other documentation or supporting evidence. It does not work that way. I won't take your word for it. I'm not quite sure why you feel you should be able to play the ADA or disability card. Pity? Excuse? I consider it an offense to those I know who are disabled. Therefore I consider it an offense to me. 

If you say you have a poor memory, fine, I'll accept that. If you claim that it rises to the level to be considered a disability by society (not just you) then you'll have to put up or shut up.