My point was specifically for verses on women striking men. That's why I quoted the specific thing you said.

It's a great chance to debate Muslims who come to an atheist website. Especially when a Muslim thinks any one of us is subject to the judgment of the Muslim religion.

I think though that it might be helpful to remember Islam is bullshit.

Just like every other faith in invisible friends.

Islam is especially bullshit however, because it's the last creation under the umbrella of Abrahamic faith. Judaism and Christianity both preceeded Islam, which is compiled from many of the myths, superstitions, etc... of those prior two. This is why Jesus is a profit but not the son of god according to Islam.

Muhammad was the prophet of Islam who was carried on a Pegasus unto Heaven to stand before Allah and receive the oral instruction that later became the written Koran. Islam was an oral tradition, like unto all the Abrahamic faiths, first.

However, I think one has to remember when Muhammad claimed to have received these messages. During tribal war time.
Muhammad, if a god was going to choose a messenger, was the worst possible candidate. Muhammad was a rapist, a thief, a murderer and a pedophile. Of course all that is blasphemy in Islam. That's because the truth is forbidden.

Allah is of course a lie. However, if you want to see earthly proof of Allah venture to the Ka'bah in Mecca and there you'll see his right hand. A black meteorite! His power on earth which he uses to shake hands with his faithful.

Yes, no kidding.

So don't let Koran verses claiming atheists are going to hell tick you off. Muslims that commit suicide slaughtering their own people and innocents in the name of the struggle, think they'll go to Heaven and enjoy all those perks that are forbidden them while alive to enjoy here on earth.

If atheists go to hell, according to the word of immoral Muhammad, it's a hell of a site better address than what Muslim Heaven guarantees in population.

And Christianity is no better. Christians who look down their nose at atheists, non-believers, those who aren't a special member of their sect, and think Muslims, Pagans and others are going to Hell are just as ignorant. Because their own Bible says regardless of their faith in a Jewish Zombie, if their name wasn't written in the book of life before they were born, they're hell bound.

Which means they stand to be in the company of the atheists they imagine are destined for fire and brimstone. It's why irrational fiction is just so damn quirky.

Quote:If that's the case then they should've put something in there about women.

They did....

(July 6, 2011 at 7:13 pm)Minimalist Wrote: They did....

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Quran's verse on "rebellious" women generates debate

I don't recall any Sura in the Koran wherein there is specific mention of penalty if a w[/code]oman strikes a man. However, it may be that that isn't addressed because every Muslim knows the act is Haram (forbidden) and as such if a Muslim woman dared strike a man she'd be put to death.

(July 6, 2011 at 7:07 pm)Judas BentHer Wrote: So don't let Koran verses claiming atheists are going to hell tick you off.

I couldn't care less what Muslims think of atheists, it's the stupid shit they do in the name of their religion, i.e. suicide bombing, stoning women, that piss me off.

Organized religion is for those who dislike reality. Seems they tend to take that dislike out on the rest of the world.

(July 7, 2011 at 3:01 am)Epimethean Wrote: Organized religion is for those who dislike reality. Seems they tend to take that dislike out on the rest of the world.

It is also for people who like to see reality as ordered, structured, sensible in general.

(July 6, 2011 at 4:37 pm)Napoleon Wrote: My point was specifically for verses on women striking men. That's why I quoted the specific thing you said.

I thought you were asking something different because I already answered that in this post (post # 56). So, this has been answered although you may disagree.

(July 6, 2011 at 4:35 pm)Rhythm Wrote: See, here's where Islam may have not done itself any favors allowing "people of the book" to opt in on heaven with them. A murdering, pillaging....blah blah blah, can still become a very devout christian and be forgiven. So, Rayaan...he kind of does get to go, as long as he gets right with jesus before he kicks it.

I'm not sure about that, because forgiveness depends on the sincerity of the believer and it does not come so easily in regard to serious crimes. Only God knows if he's going to forgive them or not.

(July 7, 2011 at 4:22 am)Rayaan Wrote:

(July 6, 2011 at 4:37 pm)Napoleon Wrote: My point was specifically for verses on women striking men. That's why I quoted the specific thing you said.

I thought you were asking something different because I already answered that in this post (post # 56). So, this has been answered although you may disagree.

I read that post and that's exactly what I quoted isn't it?

You go on to talk about 'in early times' and how that's reasoning for only having men talked about when harming women. What I'm saying is, is that if the quran was useful IN ALL TIMES as you claim it to be, then why is it only influenced by 'early times'. If it's truly the word of 'god' then it should be applicable to all times shouldn't it? Or is your god not capable of understanding that in 'future times' you can get big butch women who beat down on men?

"I dont know about that" love it. See, thats the great thing about Islam....you don't have to know, its in the black and white. But I'm glad to see that the concept is difficult for you to accept as well. Prattling on about sincerity is something that christians also do when confronted with this scenario. You're correct, in the context of your beleifs of course, that god will decide. Just so happens that he already has.

Wash me thoroughly [and repeatedly] from my iniquity and guilt and cleanse me and make me wholly pure from my sin! Psalm 51: 2

If My people, who are called by My name, shall humble themselves, pray, seek, crave, and require of necessity My face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, forgive their sin, and heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7: 14

Then Peter came up to Him and said, Lord, how many times may my brother sin against me and I forgive him and let it go? [As many as] up to seven times? Jesus answered him, I tell you, not up to seven times, but seventy times seven! Matthew 18: 21-22

I could do this all day. When people decide to base their position on the position of others, or when two lies are held up as confirmation of one and other, it gets understandably convoluted. In this case, heaven may not be quite the exclusive club you thought, and you may have to share a bunk with those whose actions you completely abhor.