(April 7, 2017 at 11:01 am)A Theist Wrote:

(April 7, 2017 at 9:04 am)Isis Wrote: Why is everyone freaking out about Syria all of a sudden? Assad's regime and terrorist groups have been killing civilians for years. Nobody done anything about it then, but as soon as they use gas everyone is eager to step in. I don't think this is the first time chemical weapons have been used against civilians either.

A lot of nations and the UN have been freaking out and warning the Assad regime against killing and gassing civilians all along. It's just that this time Assad crossed the "Red Line"  with a president who will actually respond with action, unlike barack's limp wristed and empty red line threat approach.

Careful you don't hurt your shoulder with all that fucking flag-waving, asshole.  We wasted a whole lot of expensive ammunition to shoot up an air base that we had warned them we were going to attack and fucking nazi fools like you are cumming in your pants over it.

Yeah, here's a pro tip for the Trump administration. When you're going to launch a shit-ton of missiles at someone, don't tell their friends first.

This kind of thing should be painfully obvious, but I realize who I'm talking about...

ladies and gentlemen it was a false flag attack.
We i guess had no intention of fighting Assad and this is entirely a shit show.. yet now we have to live this this result.....

(April 7, 2017 at 11:23 am)dyresand Wrote: i have to say.. we might have to impeach trump before it goes that far

By "we", you mean the GOP-controlled House of Representatives, of course.

Good luck with that.

(April 7, 2017 at 11:44 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(April 7, 2017 at 11:23 am)dyresand Wrote: i have to say.. we might have to impeach trump before it goes that far

By "we", you mean the GOP-controlled House of Representatives, of course.

Good luck with that.

Democrats are too useless at this point. I just hope he doesn't go nuclear.

(April 7, 2017 at 11:01 am)A Theist Wrote:

(April 7, 2017 at 9:04 am)Isis Wrote: Why is everyone freaking out about Syria all of a sudden? Assad's regime and terrorist groups have been killing civilians for years. Nobody done anything about it then, but as soon as they use gas everyone is eager to step in. I don't think this is the first time chemical weapons have been used against civilians either.

A lot of nations and the UN have been freaking out and warning the Assad regime against killing and gassing civilians all along. It's just that this time Assad crossed the "Red Line"  with a president who will actually respond with action, unlike barack's limp wristed and empty red line threat approach.

How can you be so gullible?
Sometimes it takes more courage to stay out of a conflict that to engage in one.

Think about it. When there was no personal gain for Trump, he was completely against any action in Syria after a poison gas attack. (And he was actually correct then) One of his many tweets in 2013:

Quote:TRUMP:
AGAIN, TO OUR VERY FOOLISH LEADER, DO NOT ATTACK SYRIA - IF YOU DO MANY VERY BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN & FROM THAT FIGHT THE U.S. GETS NOTHING!

Now, all he has to do is completely reverse himself and you foolishly think it's because he's a strong leader? He's MANIPULATING you for political gain! Let go of your 100% partisan shallowness and maybe reality will start to sink in.

(April 7, 2017 at 12:04 pm)Crunchy Wrote: [edit]

Think about it. When there was no personal gain for Trump, he was completely against any action in Syria after a poison gas attack. (And he was actually correct then) One of his many tweets in 2013:

Quote:TRUMP:
AGAIN, TO OUR VERY FOOLISH LEADER, DO NOT ATTACK SYRIA - IF YOU DO MANY VERY BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN & FROM THAT FIGHT THE U.S. GETS NOTHING!

Now, all he has to do is completely reverse himself and you foolishly think it's because he's a strong leader? He's MANIPULATING you for political gain! Let go of your 100% partisan shallowness and maybe reality will start to sink in.

Comparing a 2013 tweet when there was no promise by Syria/Russia to not use chemical weapons and the reaction after the promise is in place and broken is comparing apples and oranges.

"The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot."
-Sagan

(April 7, 2017 at 1:24 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(April 7, 2017 at 12:04 pm)Crunchy Wrote: [edit]

Think about it. When there was no personal gain for Trump, he was completely against any action in Syria after a poison gas attack. (And he was actually correct then) One of his many tweets in 2013:



Now, all he has to do is completely reverse himself and you foolishly think it's because he's a strong leader? He's MANIPULATING you for political gain! Let go of your 100% partisan shallowness and maybe reality will start to sink in.

Comparing a 2013 tweet when there was no promise by Syria/Russia to not use chemical weapons and the reaction after the promise is in place and broken is comparing apples and oranges.

Bullshit, I am tired of people thinking that when an administration changes the policies suddenly become drastically opposite. Our intel is a long term baton that gets passed on to the next president. The only difference between the GOP and Dems is that we lean to diplomacy far more and the GOP leans to John Wayne bullshit far more on average, so when we want to do something, the GOP doesn't like us taking the spotlight.

Now, I am NOT talking about going in or staying out being right or wrong, but the GOP pulled the same fucking bullshit running from their own health care plan which Obama modeled after Mitt Romney's plan.

It is utter nonsense long term to think in terms of always defaulting to a strike or a war, or total isolation. It is literally physically impossible on a GLOBE which is a BALL, and not infinitely flat where you can always expand or conquer. We do have to engage sometimes with diplomacy and sometimes with force. 

But for you to claim what Obama wanted back then is now different is utter bullshit. I am not saying it would be good or bad to do it, but bullshit only in that it was different. 

The GOP tactic has been the same for decades, on all subjects, none of it about real governing, but creating needless problems then when Dems try to correct the shit they started, they blame dems for what they created. Now you say Trump is right for doing it now? I could give a fuck less, if it were not for the GOP and Bush Jr for busting up Iraq neither Obama or Trump would be arguing over strikes or timing.

(April 7, 2017 at 11:01 am)A Theist Wrote: A lot of nations and the UN have been freaking out and warning the Assad regime against killing and gassing civilians all along. It's just that this time Assad crossed the "Red Line"  with a president who will actually respond with action, unlike barack's limp wristed and empty red line threat approach.

The UN have proven themselves to be absolutely useless. They sit around a desk and write up 'strongly worded condemnations' that do nothing while innocent people are slaughtered in conflicts all over the world. On another note, why does using chemical weapons cross the line but using regular weapons doesn't?

Sarin gas, barrel bombs or bullets, the method used to kill doesn't really matter to me. Innocent civilians are still dying and I think the only reason you are outraged is because Trump is. If he hadn't commented on it or authorised that strike, chances are you wouldn't bring up atrocities in Syria at all.