We (U.S.) used depleted uranium in Iraq. Children were born with two heads or no head.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3812888
We could save civilian lives by not arming/sanctioning Saudia Arabia.
Invading Syria would just be about the geo-political chess board and the defense contractors who buy our politicians making money.
It's stupid to fight a war in which you hate BOTH SIDES. Even the rebels are mostly Al Quaeda and ISIS.

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(April 13, 2017 at 9:11 am)A Theist Wrote:

(April 12, 2017 at 11:44 am)Crunchy Wrote: Yes, I'm the one to talk as I'm neither a liberal nor a conservative as can be seen by my non partisan posts on this site. I often take on the liberals on this site in discussions around Islam, the police, race etc... Reason and pragmatism are my guidelines not partisan politics. How often do you stray from the partisan line? 

The easiest way to to manipulate people is through anger and fear and that is what has been done to you and countless other useful idiots. Like an idiot, you believe that there is a "left" that hates you and hates america and seeks your destruction. You have fallen for a rigid "us Vs them" false dichotomy that allows the right wing media and republicans to manipulate you into voting predictably. And so you do.

but that doesn't make him any less partisan anymore than you debating other liberals on the forum over race, police, and islam makes you any less partisan. 

Uhhh yes, that's exactly what it does. The fact that someone takes the "left" and sometimes takes the "right" side of various issues is exactly what it means to be non partisan. Duh! All your trying to do is fight back, but your failing to think back when you say these ridiculous things.

You have been manipulated into thinking that "lefties" are a homogeneous group of evil dooers  hell bent on the destruction of you, America and freedom. It's this intense hatred that the right wing media has been blasting into your head for decades now that has effectively neutered your ability to reason and causes you to say the stupid shit that has people laughing at you on this site. 

Why do you think you follow contradictory instructions and pass it off as "that was then - when liberals said it" and "this is now - when conservatives say it"? Do you think that is a reasonable position to take? Or perhaps hatred is blinding you! Hatred that serves a political purpose for those who continually instigate hatred with propaganda that you unthinkingly swallow hook, line and sinker.

(April 13, 2017 at 3:14 pm)Industrial Lad Wrote: It's stupid to fight a war in which you hate BOTH SIDES. Even the rebels are mostly Al Quaeda and ISIS.

Smartest words in this thread so far, to which I'd only add, it's stupid to get involved in a war where both sides hate you.

It's the classic case of a "no-win situation". How many times do we do this before we learn?

(April 14, 2017 at 1:49 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(April 13, 2017 at 3:14 pm)Industrial Lad Wrote: It's stupid to fight a war in which you hate BOTH SIDES. Even the rebels are mostly Al Quaeda and ISIS.

Smartest words in this thread so far, to which I'd only add, it's stupid to get involved in a war where both sides hate you.

It's the classic case of a "no-win situation". How many times do we do this before we learn?

Apparently, at least one more time. Gotta keep the defense contractors paid. Not to mention undertakers and gravediggers.

(April 14, 2017 at 1:52 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(April 14, 2017 at 1:49 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Smartest words in this thread so far, to which I'd only add, it's stupid to get involved in a war where both sides hate you.

It's the classic case of a "no-win situation". How many times do we do this before we learn?

Apparently, at least one more time.  Gotta keep the defense contractors paid.  Not to mention undertakers and gravediggers.

We have an economy to lubricate ... OBEY!

(April 14, 2017 at 2:46 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(April 14, 2017 at 1:52 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Apparently, at least one more time.  Gotta keep the defense contractors paid.  Not to mention undertakers and gravediggers.

We have an economy to lubricate ... OBEY!

Nice to see you around, Thump!

(April 14, 2017 at 1:52 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(April 14, 2017 at 1:49 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Smartest words in this thread so far, to which I'd only add, it's stupid to get involved in a war where both sides hate you.

It's the classic case of a "no-win situation". How many times do we do this before we learn?

Apparently, at least one more time. Gotta keep the defense contractors paid. Not to mention undertakers and gravediggers.

Yeah, but no Universal Healthcare or reasonably priced higher education for the richest country on earth.

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(April 14, 2017 at 1:49 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(April 13, 2017 at 3:14 pm)Industrial Lad Wrote: It's stupid to fight a war in which you hate BOTH SIDES. Even the rebels are mostly Al Quaeda and ISIS.

Smartest words in this thread so far, to which I'd only add, it's stupid to get involved in a war where both sides hate you.

It's the classic case of a "no-win situation". How many times do we do this before we learn?

I think we will do this type of thing many more times until things change ( a ha ha that's good for a laugh ) or we no longer exist.

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(April 14, 2017 at 1:59 pm)Industrial Lad Wrote:

(April 14, 2017 at 1:52 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Apparently, at least one more time.  Gotta keep the defense contractors paid.  Not to mention undertakers and gravediggers.

Yeah, but no Universal Healthcare or reasonably priced higher education for the richest country on earth.

Of course not, those things interfere with the goals of our corporate oligarchs.