When are we going to get a mandatory minimum for sexual assault?

(May 12, 2017 at 9:52 am)Divinity Wrote: When are we going to get a mandatory minimum for sexual assault?

Or lying under oath?

There's actual science that says this is a bad idea, but it's science so it has no influence on Sessions.

(May 12, 2017 at 10:05 am)Crossless1 Wrote:

(May 12, 2017 at 9:52 am)Divinity Wrote: When are we going to get a mandatory minimum for sexual assault?

Or lying under oath?

I don't think mandatory minimums are a good thing, even with sexual assault, because many times some of those cases can simply be word of mouth with no physical DNA evidence. I am all for putting dangerous and violent people in prison, but the right people, not convictions solely based on the nature of the charge, but strictly on EVIDENCE.

It is easy to play armchair quarterback based on what you see in the news. The problem with our justice system is that it is a MYTH that only the guilty go to prison. Our system hurts the poor the most because we don't hire enough public defenders who need the time to defend properly. Innocent people will plea just to reduce time. 

This isn't just about crime, there really is an economic war conducted by the uber rich on the middle class and working poor. If you can accept Sessions as being a fucking asshole on minor non violent drug offenses then you cannot and should not assume the guilt of anyone no matter what the charge is.

History proves it's a bad idea as well. We tried this with prohibition already, and it didn't work out. The drug war isn't working, but they don't care about that.

(May 12, 2017 at 10:18 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(May 12, 2017 at 10:05 am)Crossless1 Wrote: Or lying under oath?

I don't think mandatory minimums are a good thing, even with sexual assault, because many times some of those cases can simply be word of mouth with no physical DNA evidence. I am all for putting dangerous and violent people in prison, but the right people, not convictions solely based on the nature of the charge, but strictly on EVIDENCE.

It is easy to play armchair quarterback based on what you see in the news. The problem with our justice system is that it is a MYTH that only the guilty go to prison. Our system hurts the poor the most because we don't hire enough public defenders who need the time to defend properly. Innocent people will plea just to reduce time. 

This isn't just about crime, there really is an economic war conducted by the uber rich on the middle class and working poor. If you can accept Sessions as being a fucking asshole on minor non violent drug offenses then you cannot and should not assume the guilt of anyone no matter what the charge is.

Oh, I'm not really in favor of mandatory minimums -- never have been. I'm just tired of the rank hypocrisy of these "law and order" assholes who think nothing of ruining others' lives over non-violent drug offenses while wiping their asses with the very rules they claim to uphold.

As far as I'm concerned, Jeff Sessions can recuse himself from public life permanently.

And yes, the drug war always has been about class.

(May 12, 2017 at 10:20 am)Chad32 Wrote: History proves it's a bad idea as well. We tried this with prohibition already, and it didn't work out. The drug war isn't working, but they don't care about that.

I am not for all drugs being legal. Just the bullshit idea of overcharging non violent people.

Just like I am for deporting violent individuals but not non violent individuals.

It depends. Heroine, coke, meth, no. I am only for not charging non violent offenders and more funding for recovery. I don't think any drug, just like booze should be a free for all. 

I am for going after those who sell on mass scale, but not the non violent user.

Just like I am for regulated prostitution but not unregulated street prostitution which is dangerous.

It depends.

I'm for legalizing most drugs. As long as they are regulated, and people get their warnings. Let people do whatever the fuck they want to themselves as long as they aren't breaking other laws.

(May 12, 2017 at 10:57 am)Divinity Wrote: I'm for legalizing most drugs.  As long as they are regulated, and people get their warnings.  Let people do whatever the fuck they want to themselves as long as they aren't breaking other laws.

Not me, it would be nice to think if they were all turned into legal businesses they wouldn't get abused. But even with the regulation of things like Oxycodine and OxyCoton we see over prescribing and even pharmacies and non hospital walk in complexes get busted.

I am only "it depends". I don't see how you regulate heroine or coke or meth, and if you did that, how? If you did that people would still turn to synthetics  because if it becomes a business, the prices could go up.

Pot right now is about the only thing I see that should be legal. 

I am trying to meet you half way here, I only agree that if you are non violent, you should not be charged as a user. Take the heroine, coke and meth away, offer them free recovery funded by the tax payers. But don't send them to jail.