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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
May 13, 2017 at 9:50 pm
(May 13, 2017 at 9:19 pm)Lek Wrote: (May 13, 2017 at 6:04 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: It's the Christians who have it made. They're saved by grace, so they can sow seeds to the flesh all week then go to church on Sunday and pray for a crop failure. Neat!
Why are you saying this when you know it's not true? If you're going to argue against christianity why don't you argue honestly? Read the books of James and 1 John.
See, this is something that has always confused me about mainstream Protestant theology. What exactly visibly differentiates good works as a Christian (in salvation) from good works as a non-Christian (outside of salvation)?
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
May 13, 2017 at 10:54 pm
(May 13, 2017 at 9:50 pm)Grandizer Wrote: (May 13, 2017 at 9:19 pm)Lek Wrote: Why are you saying this when you know it's not true? If you're going to argue against christianity why don't you argue honestly? Read the books of James and 1 John.
See, this is something that has always confused me about mainstream Protestant theology. What exactly visibly differentiates good works as a Christian (in salvation) from good works as a non-Christian (outside of salvation)?
They're all good works. If you have faith in Christ you will do good works. Works can happen apart from faith, but faith cannot exist apart from works.
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
May 13, 2017 at 11:00 pm
(May 13, 2017 at 10:54 pm)Lek Wrote: (May 13, 2017 at 9:50 pm)Grandizer Wrote: See, this is something that has always confused me about mainstream Protestant theology. What exactly visibly differentiates good works as a Christian (in salvation) from good works as a non-Christian (outside of salvation)?
They're all good works. If you have faith in Christ you will do good works. Works can happen apart from faith, but faith cannot exist apart from works.
How then does one identify the fruits of salvation as opposed to just good works? I sort of remember Jesus saying in the Gospels that you shall know them by their fruits.
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
May 14, 2017 at 12:18 am
(May 13, 2017 at 11:00 pm)Grandizer Wrote: (May 13, 2017 at 10:54 pm)Lek Wrote: They're all good works. If you have faith in Christ you will do good works. Works can happen apart from faith, but faith cannot exist apart from works.
How then does one identify the fruits of salvation as opposed to just good works? I sort of remember Jesus saying in the Gospels that you shall know them by their fruits.
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
May 14, 2017 at 9:01 am
(May 8, 2017 at 8:48 am)Drich Wrote: Unless you are producing evil fruit (ISIS) then I don't think you can be judged yet (so long as you are still alive.)
What, precisely, is evil about ISIS?
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
May 14, 2017 at 9:15 am
(May 13, 2017 at 10:54 pm)Lek Wrote: (May 13, 2017 at 9:50 pm)Grandizer Wrote: See, this is something that has always confused me about mainstream Protestant theology. What exactly visibly differentiates good works as a Christian (in salvation) from good works as a non-Christian (outside of salvation)?
They're all good works. If you have faith in Christ you will do good works. Works can happen apart from faith, but faith cannot exist apart from works.
Like Peter Popoff or the Bakers and others of their ilk?
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
May 14, 2017 at 9:31 am
(This post was last modified: May 14, 2017 at 9:53 am by Rhondazvous.)
(May 13, 2017 at 9:19 pm)Lek Wrote: (May 13, 2017 at 6:04 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: It's the Christians who have it made. They're saved by grace, so they can sow seeds to the flesh all week then go to church on Sunday and pray for a crop failure. Neat!
Why are you saying this when you know it's not true? If you're going to argue against christianity why don't you argue honestly? Read the books of James and 1 John.
Tell Christians to read those passages. I should not have to read the Bible to see how Christians act. I read their lives and tell it like it is.
(May 13, 2017 at 10:54 pm)Lek Wrote: (May 13, 2017 at 9:50 pm)Grandizer Wrote: See, this is something that has always confused me about mainstream Protestant theology. What exactly visibly differentiates good works as a Christian (in salvation) from good works as a non-Christian (outside of salvation)?
They're all good works. If you have faith in Christ you will do good works. Works can happen apart from faith, but faith cannot exist apart from works. Then you totally disagree with Paul.
Romans 4:5 Wrote:But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness
Yes, I've been told to read Paul in light of James. All that means in practice is ignore Paul. Read the part about having faith and ignore the part about without works.
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
May 14, 2017 at 11:46 am
(May 14, 2017 at 9:01 am)Cyberman Wrote: (May 8, 2017 at 8:48 am)Drich Wrote: Unless you are producing evil fruit (ISIS) then I don't think you can be judged yet (so long as you are still alive.)
What, precisely, is evil about ISIS?
Islam.
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
May 14, 2017 at 11:51 am
Accurate, but Drich is maintaining either that ISIS is producing evil fruit, or is itself evil fruit (his language is characteristically ambiguous). I want to know what about it makes it intrinsically evil.
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
May 14, 2017 at 11:53 am
I don't know what fruit has to do with it. Fruit are delicious.
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