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SURVIVOR: Game Changers
#71
RE: SURVIVOR: Game Changers
I'm glad the next one won't have anyone returning. But the categories seem uneven and lame. Is "Hustlers" really a plausible alternate to Heros and Healers?
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#72
RE: SURVIVOR: Game Changers
Heros, Healers and Hustlers? Could be interesting. I do feel like the first two have obvious overlap. Also, my mind is jumping ahead to the 1st merge, if there is one. What'll those two tribes be?

My mind is always stuck in the future. Sad
"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan
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#73
RE: SURVIVOR: Game Changers
Phew, disaster averted.  I spent most of the first hour and 15 minutes rolling my eyes, yelling "puke," and flipping off Brad every time he appeared on the screen.

As discussed on Survivor Know it Alls, Advantagegeddon did, in fact, take place, with one of the predicted outcomes happening: everyone become immune from votes leaving only one outsider as the only person available to go home.  As a viewer it was pretty incredible to watch, as a person rooting for Cirie (even Borrowed-Time-Cirie) it was really disappointing.  While I'm not opposed, necessarily, to all the idols and gimmicky advantages being in the game I do lament that the effect was that a serious contender for getting the win was the casualty of it.

The reason I'm not totally opposed to all the advantages being in the game is because so much of the time they are played well before a situation like this could happen.  It just so happened this season that you got people who held on to their idols coupled with an advantage that had a weirdly specific caveat imposed on it: Sarah could only use it at final 6, and Sierra could have only used it at 13 or 6.  I shutter to think, though, what would have happened if Cirie hadn't forced Sarah into using her vote steal and that, too, had come into play at Advantagegeddon...

Before I move on, Troyzan claiming he had a shot to beat anyone of the final 5 at final tribal was completely laughable.

Moving on...

I rather liked the new final tribal format.  I liked the conversational aspect of it and the players' ability to talk to each other and to the final three to work out who the best, or most deserving, final contestant to win would be.


Of course Ozzy, the guy who thinks fishing should win you the million, would champion Brad, the guy who matched Ozzy's immunity-win record. Rolleyes  Ozzy is not a great player, I'm just gonna say it.  He's stuck in Old School Survivor and the game has evolved way beyond him.  I hope he doesn't become the first 5-time player.

And of course Looney Tunes Debbie would champion Brad as well because "I grew up with three brothers and was in the military..."

I'm glad Zeke wasn't a Bitter Betty toward Sarah and appreciated her game play. I wasn't overly worried about him being able to overcome bitterness because he does appreciate the game so much, but it was still good to see.

Weepy Andrea gets on my nerves.

Aubry's "Fuck You All" look on the way into Final Tribal was everything Big Grin

It's kind of a shame that Brad took such a terrible, asshole turn in this last episode with his bullying of Tai to give him the idol and passing decrees to Tai about what he has to do.  I think if that hadn't happened I would have been mildly okay-ish with a Brad win... I mean, if it absolutely had to happen.  As it stands, though, Brad became a total shit right at the end and did one of the stupidest things a final three contestant could do: he sent a player to the jury who he belittled, patronized and bullied as the last jury member, and a person who is generally loved by the other players (even if he was a waffley game player, people love Tai), because Brad felt personally slighted by him. Dumb move, Brad.

I think it might be worth going back in the season to tally up all of Sarah's votes because it was brought up by Zeke that she was always on the right side of the votes.  The only time I think this wasn't true was at Advantagegeddon: Sarah got three of the six votes, Tai got two and Aubry got one, so the only time she wasn't in the voting majority happened to be the one time this season it didn't matter which was a stroke of luck.


Overall, I thought this was a good season.  The first half was definitely epic, there was only, to my memory, one ho-hum tribal (when Caleb went out - was he really a game changer? He only got in because of his reality TV cred...), the rest were pretty good.  I've heard critique that this season lacked an overall narrative that held it together, but I think Sarah's story provided it.  She was featured in the beginning by presenting her Criminal-Not-Cop philosophy, used the premerge to build relationships and bond with people and then really exploded onto the game playing scene around the merge and exploited her relationships to her advantage.

Sarah was by far the clear winner of this season and I'm so, so, so glad she won.


(May 25, 2017 at 1:29 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Well, that turned out about how I expected once the shitstorm of idols blew over.   Best player of the final five won.  I have to wonder how it would have turned out if someone who actually got a vote in the first tribal of the final went home.

Too many gimmicks in this one, IMO.

I think the number of gimmicks was somewhat appropriate to the season: Game Changers.

Also, IIRC, there was a similar number of advantages in Cambodia (Second Chances), the advantages just weren't hoarded like they were this season: There were multiple hidden immunity idols




there was a vote steal that season




And I thought one more, but now I can't remember...  The Legacy Advantage didn't come into the game until Millenials v Gen X last season.

(May 25, 2017 at 1:52 am)c172 Wrote: I think at times it almost seemed senseless to even do anything gamewise, since gimmicks were always thrown in. But take too much of that out and it gets boring.

I don't know... I think that after, what? 20 seasons involving hidden immunity idols that having a season with none would be interesting... Maybe, like Debbie was offered, they find "fake idol kits" or go full Bob/Joey Amazing and make their own fake idols.  It would at least be something to consider after so many seasons of complications being added to the game.

(May 25, 2017 at 1:57 am)Whateverist Wrote: I'm glad the next one won't have anyone returning.  But the categories seem uneven and lame.  Is "Hustlers" really a plausible alternate to Heros and Healers?

Seasons with the arbitrary tribe divisions are gimmicky to me, and I agree that these aren't even the best ways to divide people up.  Brains, Beauty, Brawn made some sort of sense as they already exist as divisions within the wider culture, and White Collar, Blue Collar, No Collar also imposed an interesting philosophical overtone to those seasons.  The season where they divided the contestants by race was... seriously questionable - honestly, who thought that was a good idea?  But I think I like seasons where there's a school-yard pick'em for the first tribes and the overarching theme of the season is broad, like Game Changes, Second Chances, etc.  It's not necessary to have these arbitrary divisions, IMO.
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#74
RE: SURVIVOR: Game Changers
(May 25, 2017 at 10:20 am)Clueless Morgan Wrote: Phew, disaster averted.  I spent most of the first hour and 15 minutes rolling my eyes, yelling "puke," and flipping off Brad every time he appeared on the screen.

Dude let things get to his head, no doubt.  More on him later.

(May 25, 2017 at 10:20 am)Clueless Morgan Wrote: The reason I'm not totally opposed to all the advantages being in the game is because so much of the time they are played well before a situation like this could happen.  It just so happened this season that you got people who held on to their idols coupled with an advantage that had a weirdly specific caveat imposed on it: Sarah could only use it at final 6, and Sierra could have only used it at 13 or 6.  I shutter to think, though, what would have happened if Cirie hadn't forced Sarah into using her vote steal and that, too, had come into play at Advantagegeddon...

I'm with you, up to the point where circumstances left a player with no way possible to avoid going home, regardless of what happened with the vote.  I agree it's a consequence of both having so many idols/advantages, as well as hoarding same.

(May 25, 2017 at 10:20 am)Clueless Morgan Wrote: Before I move on, Troyzan claiming he had a shot to beat anyone of the final 5 at final tribal was completely laughable.

^^^

(May 25, 2017 at 10:20 am)Clueless Morgan Wrote: Of course Ozzy, the guy who thinks fishing should win you the million, would champion Brad, the guy who matched Ozzy's immunity-win record. Rolleyes  Ozzy is not a great player, I'm just gonna say it.  He's stuck in Old School Survivor and the game has evolved way beyond him.  I hope he doesn't become the first 5-time player.

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It's kind of a shame that Brad took such a terrible, asshole turn in this last episode with his bullying of Tai to give him the idol and passing decrees to Tai about what he has to do.  I think if that hadn't happened I would have been mildly okay-ish with a Brad win... I mean, if it absolutely had to happen.  As it stands, though, Brad became a total shit right at the end and did one of the stupidest things a final three contestant could do: he sent a player to the jury who he belittled, patronized and bullied as the last jury member, and a person who is generally loved by the other players (even if he was a waffley game player, people love Tai), because Brad felt personally slighted by him.  Dumb move, Brad.

Yeah, Ozzy is good a challenges and fishing.  Whoop-do-do, that's not going to win you the game these days, or possibly ever.

That run on individual immunity challenges, while impressive as it is when anyone does it, actually -insulates- you from factors that need to be evaluated by the jury.  If you're never at risk, who needs a social game, or strategy, or anything.  Just win challenges, amirite? /s  Challenges are not where the game is played, and quite frankly, Brad's game had very limited dimension and he did not deserve to win.  His shitheaded behavior as the end approached moved me firmly into the "anybody but Culpepper" camp.

I didn't stay up to watch the reunion past the point where the vote was read.  Did Culpepper exhibit any kind of regret over the shameful way he treated Tai?

(May 25, 2017 at 10:20 am)Clueless Morgan Wrote: I think it might be worth going back in the season to tally up all of Sarah's votes because it was brought up by Zeke that she was always on the right side of the votes.  The only time I think this wasn't true was at Advantagegeddon: Sarah got three of the six votes, Tai got two and Aubry got one, so the only time she wasn't in the voting majority happened to be the one time this season it didn't matter which was a stroke of luck.

It occurs to me that not only was she on the right side of the vote most of the time if not always (excluding Immunogeddon),  she very frequently was -the deciding vote-.  How huge is that? Many of those votes could have gone the other way, and Sarah showed the kind of nimble adaptability that you see in only the best players.

She absolutely deserved to win, hands down, of anyone in the final six.  I think Cirie was the next most deserving, and everyone else were distant also-rans.


(May 25, 2017 at 10:20 am)Clueless Morgan Wrote: Seasons with the arbitrary tribe divisions are gimmicky to me, and I agree that these aren't even the best ways to divide people up.  Brains, Beauty, Brawn made some sort of sense as they already exist as divisions within the wider culture, and White Collar, Blue Collar, No Collar also imposed an interesting philosophical overtone to those seasons.  The season where they divided the contestants by race was... seriously questionable - honestly, who thought that was a good idea?  But I think I like seasons where there's a school-yard pick'em for the first tribes and the overarching theme of the season is broad, like Game Changes, Second Chances, etc.  It's not necessary to have these arbitrary divisions, IMO.

Meh, I don't like those sort of divisions either.  I'd rather they team everyone up with a bunch of randoms via a schoolyard pick or drawing lots as well.
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#75
RE: SURVIVOR: Game Changers
Cirie gets voted out on a technicality...
Aubrey leaves at a time when they could have gotten rid of Troy... but... yeah... troy was required at the final 3, wasn't he?
Tai goes out because Brad got pissed...
Troy controlled the game and had an actual shot at winning... LOOOOL
Brad, man... you may be an attorney, but the cop outplayed you.
Officer Sarah won, fair and square.

A big shout out to all police officers for all that double game that they have to pull off every day on the job!



But the most important thing is: who else wants to join me in that maze? I wanna go there to play around! A trip to wherever that was can't be that expensive, can it?
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#76
RE: SURVIVOR: Game Changers
Pffft... That maze would have been a thing if they had blindfolded everyone... Just sayin'.
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#77
RE: SURVIVOR: Game Changers
(May 25, 2017 at 11:33 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: I didn't stay up to watch the reunion past the point where the vote was read.  Did Culpepper exhibit any kind of regret over the shameful way he treated Tai?


I found that to be one of his slimiest moments. At one point he is given an opportunity to apologize and does .. but he did it in a way that felt like he was just looking to shut Tai up. So rude.
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#78
RE: SURVIVOR: Game Changers
(May 25, 2017 at 9:22 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Pffft... That maze would have been a thing if they had blindfolded everyone... Just sayin'.

Hehe, we could do that on our own time Wink
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#79
RE: SURVIVOR: Game Changers
What? The maze or blindfolding people? And what if the people we choose don't want to be blindfolded?
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#80
RE: SURVIVOR: Game Changers
(May 26, 2017 at 6:34 am)Whateverist Wrote: What?  The maze or blindfolding people?  And what if the people we choose don't want to be blindfolded?

I want to be the one that's out there in the maze! Cool
Blindfolded or not.... we should have time to do both multiples times! Wink
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