(June 9, 2017 at 4:37 pm)Lutrinae Wrote:

(June 9, 2017 at 2:45 pm)alpha male Wrote: No, I'm not worried about it. The World Health Organization is though.

That's the problem with theists: always worrying about what others are doing.  Live your own fucking life and stop telling others how to live.

I'm not worried about it. The World Health Organization is, though.

To be inclusive does not mean you accept absolutely anything and everything, particularly things that themselves are exclusive.
This is some form of reducto absurdum. It is silly to say, oh, the gays don't accept someone who represents anti-gay agendas, what hypocrites! Of course they don't.

This is simply the same old biggots crying that people will not tolerate their intolerance. Well, duh.

Would you expect a march for Black Lives Matter to accept a member of the KKK in their march? How about a kids BarMmitzvah celebration welcoming a sign carrying neo-nazi? A 9-11 remembrance ceremony should make sure the guy with the "death to america" sign has a place right up front. Amiright?

It is not different. Someone who actively supports a group, in this case our current admin, that is actively, this very moment, seeking to do them harm, is obviously not welcome, nor should they be.

Your arguments are flawed. I would not expect a private Christian group to accept a group from the rally for reason, even. It isn't one sided, you are all just desperate to make the the left center appear as hypocritical as the far right.

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To be clear, it isn't simply about who a person voted for, and trying to paint it that way shows both your ignorance and desperation.
He voted for, and still currently supports, someone who is actively trying to harm them. Key words being currently, active and harm.

Take your reducto absurdum and your reek of desperation elsewhere.

Inclusiveness isn't anything goes Beta . And thinking otherwise shows how clueless you are

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Next the Bigots will start whining

(June 9, 2017 at 6:19 pm)Jesster Wrote:

(June 9, 2017 at 6:08 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Of course they are. They happen in public streets, they get public permits. I'm not going to split hairs about the difference though. It's obvious that you guys are only making this argument because they are excluding a Trump supporting gay group. I don't know why you can't just say that. Yes,  they have the right to discriminate, but that's not what I'm arguing anyway.

I'm simply pointing out the irony of the long fight of gays to be included in society, only to discriminate against other gays for their political beliefs. Especially if they are okay with the Catholic Church of all people.

Of course they get to use public areas for parades. There's a difference between public use of space and government benefits. Anyone has the right to set up a parade like this so long as they fund it themselves.

Honestly, if the US government stopped giving the Boy Scouts so many special handouts that other private organizations didn't get, I wouldn't care what their policies were with LGBT or atheists. They could exclude anyone they wanted then.

I call bullshit. You are nitpicking over small differences. Am I to believe you care about small differences or that you just don't like Trump and are okay with gay groups legally discriminating against them. It's obvious.

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(June 10, 2017 at 3:22 pm)Aroura Wrote: To be inclusive does not mean you accept absolutely anything and everything, particularly things that themselves are exclusive.
This is some form of reducto absurdum. It is silly to say, oh, the gays don't accept someone who represents anti-gay agendas, what hypocrites! Of course they don't.

This is simply the same old biggots crying that people will not tolerate their intolerance. Well, duh.

Would you expect a march for Black Lives Matter to accept a member of the KKK in their march? How about a kids BarMmitzvah celebration welcoming a sign carrying neo-nazi? A 9-11 remembrance ceremony should make sure the guy with the "death to america" sign has a place right up front. Amiright?

It is not different. Someone who actively supports a group, in this case our current admin, that is actively, this very moment, seeking to do them harm, is obviously not welcome, nor should they be.

Your arguments are flawed. I would not expect a private Christian group to accept a group from the rally for reason, even. It isn't one sided, you are all just desperate to make the the left center appear as hypocritical as the far right.

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To be clear, it isn't simply about who a person voted for, and trying to paint it that way shows both your ignorance and desperation.
He voted for, and still currently supports, someone who is actively trying to harm them. Key words being currently, active and harm.

Take your reducto absurdum and your reek of desperation elsewhere.

Can't take nazi comparisons seriously. Especially since that group is okay with the Catholic Church.

(June 10, 2017 at 3:22 pm)Aroura Wrote: Would you expect a march for Black Lives Matter to accept a member of the KKK in their march?

No, but I would expect a gay pride parade to accept gay people in their march.

If they called it a liberal pride parade, then no, I wouldn't expect them to accept a Trump float - but that's not what they're calling it.

(June 10, 2017 at 8:58 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(June 10, 2017 at 3:22 pm)Aroura Wrote: Would you expect a march for Black Lives Matter to accept a member of the KKK in their march?

No, but I would expect a gay pride parade to accept gay people in their march.

If they called it a liberal pride parade, then no, I wouldn't expect them to accept a Trump float - but that's not what they're calling it.

So the fuck what? If you support a party that has a long history of discrimination against minorities then you are a fucking idiot, and no, even if some minorities are stupid enough to support the GOP and Trump, no, they don't get a pass either.

If you are so for freedom of speech then the applicants of that parade have the right to decide who is in it and who is not. 

If the GOP wants to have their own "LGBT pride" parade, they can apply for the permits too.

Your problem isn't free speech here, your problem is that the GOP party message SUCKS.

Nobody can take you seriously if you think the GOP gives one fuck about LGBT while pandering to their bread and butter bigots whom keep them in power.

(June 10, 2017 at 8:28 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(June 9, 2017 at 6:19 pm)Jesster Wrote: Of course they get to use public areas for parades. There's a difference between public use of space and government benefits. Anyone has the right to set up a parade like this so long as they fund it themselves.

Honestly, if the US government stopped giving the Boy Scouts so many special handouts that other private organizations didn't get, I wouldn't care what their policies were with LGBT or atheists. They could exclude anyone they wanted then.

I call bullshit. You are nitpicking over small differences. Am I to believe you care about small differences or that you just don't like Trump and are okay with gay groups legally discriminating against them. It's obvious.

What the fuck are you even going on about? All you are doing is trying to lump all of the "liberals" into one easy group so you can make blanket statements about them just acting on their dislike of Trump. You may not have noticed, but I originally showed up in this thread to correct a "liberal" who I disagreed with about the issues with the Boy Scouts, since that is something I have invested interest in before. I wasn't even here for Trump.

I don't care if you want to recognize these differences or not. You're on my ignore list, so fuck off.

Making a quick post because I want to commit myself to this discussion at a later date.

I am going to go ahead and say throughout this discussion my opinion shifted slightly many different times.

I think they were fully within their rights to exclude the group, but I am not particularly happy about it.

I'll try to address some of the specific arguments made in this thread at a later date.

I don't find either the nazi or boys out arguments compelling. I also certainly can feel for the group who was excluded. My current impression of the situation is that they are not grandstanding and legitimately just wanted to have a good time and be a part of the community.

I need to read more about the specifics, which may change my position, but as of right now, i am disheartened that they were excluded.

Holy crap Beta what about this is hard for your feeble mind to comprehend

They support the Republicans. Republicans have promoted discrimination against gays. Therefore they have no place at the parade . This has nothing to do with conservatism. It has to do with supporting an anti gay group . If the Dems had spent the last 30 years fucking over gay people . And the parade told them to fuck off it would be the same situation. I know your dense .and you live in Trumpland where people who support bigots should be allowed to march with the people there trying to victimize . But the rest of us live in reality were those people should give there head a shake.

(June 10, 2017 at 11:06 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Holy crap Beta what about this is hard for your feeble mind to comprehend

They support the Republicans. Republicans have promoted discrimination against gays. Therefore they have no place at the parade . This has nothing to do with conservatism. It has to do with supporting an anti gay group . If the Dems had spent the last 30 years fucking over gay people . And the parade told them to fuck off it would be the same situation. I know your dense .and you live in Trumpland where people who support bigots should be allowed to march with the people there trying to victimize . But the rest of us live in reality were those people should give there head a shake.

"Gays can be republicans" is not a good argument. The issue is not legality, the issue is why would anyone want to belong to the GOP that still today does that to a very great degree. Again, that would be like a chicken supporting KFC. You may have the legal right, but it would seem to be valuing your abusers.