Posts: 67292
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation:
162
RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief
June 26, 2017 at 12:20 pm
(This post was last modified: June 26, 2017 at 12:23 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 26, 2017 at 12:01 pm)Astonished Wrote: Getting god's dick hard vs. human well-being is about as cut and dry as distinctions get. Just because the former is utterly batshit doesn't mean people don't revere that idea above all else. Sure, but what does that have to do with objective morality?
Quote:You can twist martyrs' objectives in any way you like but that's the bottom line; You can't 'hurt' god so it's not about the well being of even that thing, it's about pleasing the dictator's dick.
Generally speaking, Astonished..the faithful please gods dick in order to avoid harm. They think that not pleasing gods dick is harmful...not to god. To them. They think that pleasing gods dick..is helpful, not to god, to them. Not just them, to their families, to their friends, to all of us.
Quote:Why else would a prospective martyr say that they would not leave their paradise except for the chance to martyr themselves all over again, like in Hitchens' book? It's all about pleasing their deity, otherwise if they've already gotten their ultimate reward, there's no point in doing anything further. I think you've got a misconception about that. I've already said how idiotic it is to break one's brain machinery by stuffing that ideology in where it doesn't belong but people manage to do it all too fucking often.
-and people have it done to them, all the time..as children - but the fact that they can make moral judgements based upon whatever schema they use implies that...with a better moral schema, they would also be capable of making better moral judgements. If that moral schema were objective..they'd be making better, objective, moral judgments.
Quote:But again, I invite you, fucking enlighten me. What other misconceptions do I have that you've consistently failed to explain?
.....?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Posts: 2013
Threads: 28
Joined: January 1, 2017
Reputation:
15
RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief
June 26, 2017 at 12:26 pm
(June 26, 2017 at 12:20 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (June 26, 2017 at 12:01 pm)Astonished Wrote: Getting god's dick hard vs. human well-being is about as cut and dry as distinctions get. Just because the former is utterly batshit doesn't mean people don't revere that idea above all else. Sure, but what does that have to do with objective morality?
Quote:You can twist martyrs' objectives in any way you like but that's the bottom line; You can't 'hurt' god so it's not about the well being of even that thing, it's about pleasing the dictator's dick.
Generally speaking, Astonished..the faithful please gods dick in order to avoid harm. They think that not pleasing gods dick is harmful...not to god. To them. They think that pleasing gods dick..is helpful, not to god, to them. Not just them, to their families, to their friends, to all of us.
Quote:Why else would a prospective martyr say that they would not leave their paradise except for the chance to martyr themselves all over again, like in Hitchens' book? It's all about pleasing their deity, otherwise if they've already gotten their ultimate reward, there's no point in doing anything further. I think you've got a misconception about that. I've already said how idiotic it is to break one's brain machinery by stuffing that ideology in where it doesn't belong but people manage to do it all too fucking often.
-and people have it done to them, all the time..as children - but the fact that they can make moral judgements based upon whatever schema they use implies that...with a better moral schema, they would also be capable of making better moral judgements. If that moral schema were objective..they'd be making better, objective, moral judgments.
Quote:But again, I invite you, fucking enlighten me. What other misconceptions do I have that you've consistently failed to explain?
.....?
Fucking hell, I give up. One of us isn't understand the other (or both.) Can't I just keep showing Henry how dumb his ideas are?
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
---
There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
Posts: 67292
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation:
162
RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief
June 26, 2017 at 12:27 pm
It would be difficult to do that, if the examples you gave in that effort were your own dumb ideas, don't you think?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Posts: 2013
Threads: 28
Joined: January 1, 2017
Reputation:
15
RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief
June 26, 2017 at 12:30 pm
(June 26, 2017 at 12:27 pm)Khemikal Wrote: It would be difficult to do that, if the examples you gave in that effort were your own dumb ideas, don't you think?
Give me a fucking break. Since it's pretty obvious you're incapable of understanding and admitting that something can be (and is very) broken thanks to rampant human fallibility doesn't make you any fucking smarter.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
---
There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
Posts: 67292
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation:
162
RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief
June 26, 2017 at 12:31 pm
(This post was last modified: June 26, 2017 at 12:32 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
The OP, btw, isn't arguing an objective morality, doesn't know what an objective morality is, and wouldn't be able to tell if an objective moral proposition bit him in the ass.
His comments fall into two limited categories. Plagiarizing the work of others, and levying common christer accusations at atheists..which, I suppose is another form of plagiarism, but..what else do you expect from a mindless christbot who feels the need to ask -us- why he can't gang up with his buddies and duckrape some girl?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Posts: 2013
Threads: 28
Joined: January 1, 2017
Reputation:
15
RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief
June 26, 2017 at 12:33 pm
(This post was last modified: June 26, 2017 at 12:34 pm by Astonished.)
(June 26, 2017 at 12:31 pm)Khemikal Wrote: The OP, btw, isn't arguing an objective morality, doesn't know what an objective morality is, and wouldn't be able to tell if an objective moral proposition bit him in the ass.
His comments fall into two limited categories. Plagiarizing the work of others, and levying common christer accusations at atheists..which, I suppose is another form of plagiarism, but..what else do you expect from a mindless christbot who feels the need to ask -us- why he can't gang up with his buddies and duckrape some girl?
Uh, yeah. Hence why it's so simple to tear it down, even for someone 'dumb'.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
---
There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
Posts: 67292
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation:
162
RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief
June 26, 2017 at 12:35 pm
(This post was last modified: June 26, 2017 at 12:36 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 26, 2017 at 12:30 pm)Astonished Wrote: Give me a fucking break. Since it's pretty obvious you're incapable of understanding and admitting that something can be (and is very) broken thanks to rampant human fallibility doesn't make you any fucking smarter.
I'm not even sure what you're referring to here, it's like were having two different conversations?
If you mean, by that above, that I can't acknowledge;
"hurr durr religion bad"...buddy, buddy...ask around...I'm the king of hurr durring crazy religious people until they lose their shit. Yes, something is wrong with them.....
..... psssst, it's their moral schema.....
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Posts: 2013
Threads: 28
Joined: January 1, 2017
Reputation:
15
RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief
June 26, 2017 at 12:39 pm
(This post was last modified: June 26, 2017 at 12:40 pm by Astonished.)
(June 26, 2017 at 12:35 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (June 26, 2017 at 12:30 pm)Astonished Wrote: Give me a fucking break. Since it's pretty obvious you're incapable of understanding and admitting that something can be (and is very) broken thanks to rampant human fallibility doesn't make you any fucking smarter.
I'm not even sure what you're referring to here, it's like were having two different conversations?
If you mean, by that above, that I can't acknowledge;
"hurr durr religion bad"...buddy, buddy...ask around...I'm the king of hurr durring crazy religious people until they lose their shit. Yes, something is wrong with them.....
.....psssst, it's their moral schema.....
Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait...did...did you just agree with me about that? It's hard to tell without hearing a voice where sarcasm begins or ends.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
---
There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
Posts: 67292
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation:
162
RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief
June 26, 2017 at 12:40 pm
(This post was last modified: June 26, 2017 at 12:41 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 26, 2017 at 12:33 pm)Astonished Wrote: (June 26, 2017 at 12:31 pm)Khemikal Wrote: The OP, btw, isn't arguing an objective morality, doesn't know what an objective morality is, and wouldn't be able to tell if an objective moral proposition bit him in the ass.
His comments fall into two limited categories. Plagiarizing the work of others, and levying common christer accusations at atheists..which, I suppose is another form of plagiarism, but..what else do you expect from a mindless christbot who feels the need to ask -us- why he can't gang up with his buddies and duckrape some girl?
Uh, yeah. Hence why it's so simple to tear it down, even for someone 'dumb'.
Exactly. Objective morality, on the other hand...not this christers bullshit, objective morality - not so easy to tear down.
@above...when did you ever get the impression that I disagreed? I'm commenting on objective morality, not their gods divine commands.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Posts: 2013
Threads: 28
Joined: January 1, 2017
Reputation:
15
RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief
June 26, 2017 at 12:47 pm
(June 26, 2017 at 12:40 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (June 26, 2017 at 12:33 pm)Astonished Wrote: Uh, yeah. Hence why it's so simple to tear it down, even for someone 'dumb'.
Exactly. Objective morality, on the other hand...not this christers bullshit, objective morality - not so easy to tear down.
@above...when did you ever get the impression that I disagreed? I'm commenting on objective morality, not their gods divine commands.
Look, would you do me a favor and just explain to me what you think objective morality means to you? From what I've been reading there's not even a consensus on that. I know where I fall on the spectrum but I'm not sure where you do.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
---
There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
|
