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Do you think religion is holding society back?
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RE: Do you think religion is holding society back?
(June 27, 2017 at 8:18 pm)Industrial Lad Wrote: http://www.oddlyhistorical.com/2015/04/1...ning-rods/

Slow adoption

In spite of the obvious advantages that lightning rods presented for owners of tall buildings, particularly churches, their adoption was a slow and painful affair. Superstition and fear prevented people from trying the invention for themselves. Their fear found encouragement from many ministers and priests of the day. In America, Reverend Thomas Price of Old South Church in Massachusetts blamed the earthquake of 1755 on Franklin’s blasphemous invention. Since God could not vent his retribution from the sky, the Reverend said, he did it by shaking the Earth. He concluded by saying that “God’s  wrath will not be thwarted.”

God's wrath must be puny indeed to be thwarted that easily.

Wonder if Rev. Price would favor weakening buildings so that God's earthquake wrath might more easily permeate tenement buildings filled with presumed sinners ??
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#32
RE: Do you think religion is holding society back?
Wonder what folks in Yemen would think of this topic ??
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#33
RE: Do you think religion is holding society back?
(June 27, 2017 at 5:09 pm)SteveII Wrote: To answer the thread question: Do you think religion is holding society back?, you have to define "back from what".

Scientifically, no. In fact, Christianity was instrumental in the early progress of modern science (that's why it developed almost entirely in the west) because it taught that the world and nature was created and entirely discoverable and NOT endowed with spiritual or mystical qualities--like the rest of the world still believed.

Some Utopian society? No. I think it has been proven over and over again that people do not play nicely with other different than themselves. I don't think there is any evidence that religious differences has done anywhere near the harm than non religious events of history.

Morality? No. In fact, I think religion has helped develop the general morality we see today in western countries. Most of us would agree that the western morality is superior to other parts of the world where differences arise.

Imploding? Yes. No matter what you think about religion, it has a very real, largely positive, psychological effect on people

How someone can be this wrong and still draw breath is a testimony to the vitality of the human organism, endowed by evolution. If one considers in a rational way what harm people can use religion for, religion can be seen to be a pustule on the entire body of humankind, not just the backside.

Holding back? How about where the RCC has only recently allowed that Galileo was actually right? Maybe you can bring Giordano Bruno back from right before he was burned at the stake for heresy? Maybe you can also bring back those people who were tortured during the Inquisition? FFS, you people apologizing for religion ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

Morality? Don't delude yourself. Go look at the reality of what modern day evangelicals are doing in Uganda, just for example. It isn't any different from the kind of sickness visited on people since religion gained a foothold in the human psyche, millenia ago. I don't generally respond to posts like yours because of the amount of ignorance of xtian (and Muslim, for that matter) arrogance at what your kind claim to be the case for beneficial aspects of their religion. The reality is that the amount of horror visited on their fellow human beings because of religion is incalculable.
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#34
RE: Do you think religion is holding society back?
(June 27, 2017 at 8:30 pm)Succubus Wrote:
(June 27, 2017 at 5:38 pm)Godscreated Wrote: The dark ages were started by the fall of a corrupt Roman Empire that failed to defend itself from barbaric forces outside of Christianity, the church eventually helped to pull the western world out of that darkness through literacy, why, because the Bible was being translated into different languages and the people began to have the desire to learn and read the Bible in their own languages and find out what the Church was hiding from them, the reformers were great men and served the people well.

GC

That didn't work out to well for William Tyndale did it? Burned alive for translating the bible into English.

It worked out to the peoples good as God desired and Tyndale was serving both without regret.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#35
RE: Do you think religion is holding society back?
I bet that was Tyndales final thought.

"As long as this all ends well, it's cool"

This seems as though it was yet another prime opportunity for god to show his love for a man trying to get his work out there..and hey, while he was at it, maybe clear up some disagreements they had about that good word and his good nature...that led to, you know, burning people.

Heaven, instead, was silent.

Or maybe his final thoughts were something like;

"I don't know what this is, but it's definitely -not- a dark time in my religions history and future christers will never, ever have to reconcile this with their rosy view of the history of the faith"...?

Between the two, which is more likely, in your opinion?
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#36
RE: Do you think religion is holding society back?
(June 27, 2017 at 10:56 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I bet that was Tyndales final thought.

"As long as this all ends well, it's cool"

This seems as though it was yet another prime opportunity for god to show his love for a man trying to get his work out there..and hey, while he was at it, maybe clear up some disagreements they had about that good word and his good nature...that led to, you know, burning people.

Heaven, instead, was silent.

Here's an idea-why not get everyone who thinks that was such a nifty thing to show their devotion in the same way and free up some prime real estate for those of us have functioning cognitive faculties?
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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#37
RE: Do you think religion is holding society back?
(June 27, 2017 at 7:23 pm)Khemikal Wrote:
(June 27, 2017 at 5:53 pm)Godscreated Wrote: He believed in Jesus as the creator so Jesus was all over his work, he knew he was showing what Jesus had done.
Seems to me all he showed was what he had done.  Which portions, of newtons work, if you had to guess...were jesus?  

All of it, his talents came from his creator, another belief Newton understood.

Quote:Love, compassion, hope, comfort, reading of the scriptures to those who want it, all highly effect medicines, those same things my wife as a nurse uses to help people to recover.

Khemikla Wrote:"Quick, quick, nurse, this man is going into cardiac arrest, get me the love, compassion, hope, and comfort.  Make sure we say the magic words first.  His life depends on it!"
-said no competent surgeon, ever.  

I doubt that their reputation in providing medicine has anything at all to do with reading people fairytales by the bedside.

I know a top flight heart surgeon who prays for his patients. I have a friend who worked in surgery with a surgeon who prayed before every surgery, and knowing Adventist as I do they all pray before surgery. My wife read scripture to anyone who asked, she also prayed with them and you can bet she gave them the love, compassion and comfort they needed. She was a good nurse that worked in a critical care unit where most people did not leave, alive.


Quote:You need to go and study history pal, and if you do please learn something.

GC
 
Khemikla Wrote:I tried, but all christianity gave us was this bible....so?   Wink
 
The Bible is not a history book, though there is history that can be gathered from it.

GC

(June 27, 2017 at 7:45 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(June 27, 2017 at 5:28 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Newton never denied his Christian belief and actually gave credit to it for his accomplishments. The Adventist church most certainly uses Jesus in it's medical practices. I have Adventist friends who keep me informed on such things.

GC

Newton never denied he was am Alchemist either. In fact, he wrote more on alchemy than he did on science and Christianity.

Bottom line, the fact that he was a Christian, means absolutely nothing when it comes to scientific discoveries. The fact that he may have claimed his work was in any way inspired by his supernatural god beliefs, says nothing about whether that claim is actually true.

His discoveries would be just as valid if he was a Hindu.

If he had been a Hindu it might have been a long time before God revealed what he revealed through Newton.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#38
RE: Do you think religion is holding society back?
(June 27, 2017 at 11:04 pm)Godscreated Wrote:
(June 27, 2017 at 7:23 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Seems to me all he showed was what he had done.  Which portions, of newtons work, if you had to guess...were jesus?  

All of it, his talents came from his creator, another belief Newton understood.

Quote:Love, compassion, hope, comfort, reading of the scriptures to those who want it, all highly effect medicines, those same things my wife as a nurse uses to help people to recover.

Khemikla Wrote:"Quick, quick, nurse, this man is going into cardiac arrest, get me the love, compassion, hope, and comfort.  Make sure we say the magic words first.  His life depends on it!"
-said no competent surgeon, ever.  

I doubt that their reputation in providing medicine has anything at all to do with reading people fairytales by the bedside.

I know a top flight heart surgeon who prays for his patients. I have a friend who worked in surgery with a surgeon who prayed before every surgery, and knowing Adventist as I do they all pray before surgery. My wife read scripture to anyone who asked, she also prayed with them and you can bet she gave them the love, compassion and comfort they needed. She was a good nurse that worked in a critical care unit where most people did not leave, alive.


Quote:You need to go and study history pal, and if you do please learn something.

GC
 
Khemikla Wrote:I tried, but all christianity gave us was this bible....so?   Wink
 
The Bible is not a history book, though there is history that can be gathered from it.

GC

(June 27, 2017 at 7:45 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Newton never denied he was am Alchemist either. In fact, he wrote more on alchemy than he did on science and Christianity.

Bottom line, the fact that he was a Christian, means absolutely nothing when it comes to scientific discoveries. The fact that he may have claimed his work was in any way inspired by his supernatural god beliefs, says nothing about whether that claim is actually true.

His discoveries would be just as valid if he was a Hindu.

If he had been a Hindu it might have been a long time before God revealed what he revealed through Newton.

GC

Dude...every Hindu out there should kick the shit out of your bigoted ass.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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#39
RE: Do you think religion is holding society back?
(June 27, 2017 at 11:04 pm)Godscreated Wrote: All of it, his talents came from his creator, another belief Newton understood.
Seems to me they came from years of study and rigorous application of method.  Both of which he showed.  

Guess I was wrong again.  Christ christed all of that into newton, just like christers christed all of the science from their bibles.

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Khemikla Wrote:"Quick, quick, nurse, this man is going into cardiac arrest, get me the love, compassion, hope, and comfort.  Make sure we say the magic words first.  His life depends on it!"
-said no competent surgeon, ever.  

I doubt that their reputation in providing medicine has anything at all to do with reading people fairytales by the bedside.
I know a top flight heart surgeon who prays for his patients. I have a friend who worked in surgery with a surgeon who prayed before every surgery, and knowing Adventist as I do they all pray before surgery. My wife read scripture to anyone who asked, she also prayed with them and you can bet she gave them the love, compassion and comfort they needed. She was a good nurse that worked in a critical care unit where most people did not leave, alive.
You mean, they got the god dose and still died?  You know...if my patients kept getting the jesus medicine and dying anyway, I'd start to wonder about the medicine.  

 
Quote:The Bible is not a history book, though there is history that can be gathered from it.

GC
Some random batshit christer keeps telling me that genesis is literal.  Thanks for clearing that up.  Imma go tell them they're wrong about that, and that you said so.  


Quote:If he had been a Hindu it might have been a long time before God revealed what he revealed through Newton.

GC
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#40
RE: Do you think religion is holding society back?
(June 27, 2017 at 10:56 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I bet that was Tyndales final thought.

"As long as this all ends well, it's cool"

This seems as though it was yet another prime opportunity for god to show his love for a man trying to get his work out there..and hey, while he was at it, maybe clear up some disagreements they had about that good word and his good nature...that led to, you know, burning people.

Heaven, instead, was silent.

Or maybe his final thoughts were something like;

"I don't know what this is, but it's definitely -not- a dark time in my religions history and future christers will never, ever have to reconcile this with their rosy view of the history of the faith"...?

Between the two, which is more likely, in your opinion?


I bet Tyndale's last thought was "Fuck This Shit!!!!"
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