Quote: It is becoming more evidence that America will destroy itself from within

"evident"

(July 13, 2017 at 5:39 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(July 13, 2017 at 5:09 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I'm not so sure. Obama stopped the train in 08.

I agree that she would be a damned-sight better president than the monkey we have now, but she had enough baggage that was not manufactured to give pause to plenty of folks.

If that were true, she wouldn't have been the candidate in 2016, eight years...and much more baggage, later.

Well, it is true that she was stopped in 08, the 16 candidacy notwithstanding. She's given enough hostages to fortune -- the lie about being under sniper-fire, for instance -- that while she might have gotten my vote if Texas were close in 16, it would not have been a vote for her, but against Trump.

No.

America can't destroy itself.

I've put in too many hours on my own plan to do it!

(July 13, 2017 at 5:08 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(July 13, 2017 at 1:25 pm)FFaith Wrote: Funny that you bring up birtherism. Let's take a look back at Hillary vs Obama. Remember Hillary releasing those pics of Obama wearing that headdress? What was she implying there by releasing those pics? Maybe that the brown skinned guy with the headdress is not 'American' enough? Sounds a bit like birtherism to me.

What do you take issue with that I have posted. The DNC broke their own rules not to favour any candidate over another. Those are the rules. Hillary was given debate questions. That's obviously not something that's supposed to be happening, or am I wrong about that?

Jesus fucking christ.....

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the...t-sanders/

Quote:The System Isn’t ‘Rigged’ Against Sanders

Clinton’s winning because more Democrats want her to be the nominee.

Sanders was a dead man walking after the NY Primary - where Clinton crushed him - in mid-April.  Clinton had a substantial lead in pledged delegates as a result of her victories and the following week crushed Sanders again in 4 of 5 races in the NE, losing only in Rhode Island.  And of course the super-delegates, who were Democrats after all which Sanders was not, took due note of the fact.  It was over at that point but Sanders kept going in a Quixotic ritual that perhaps he understands best?  Still, I do not blame Sanders for continuing to keep the parade going.  I do blame his supporters for not listening to him and supporting Clinton after he conceded.  They, not Sanders, are the reason the Orange Turd is taking this country over a cliff.

That's not actually a response to any claim I've made in this thread. I did not claim that Clinton beat Sanders because the primary was rigged. I simply stated that the primary was rigged. Just because Clinton may have been able to win without the rigging, that doesn't mean it wasn't still rigged. You are responding to a completely different claim than the one I made. I don't deny that Clinton might have still won without the rigging, and to the topic of the OP, I don't deny that Trump may have colluded with Russia, so I'm not one of the people saying that I'm sure he didn't.

(July 13, 2017 at 6:04 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: No.

America can't destroy itself.

I've put in too many hours on my own plan to do it!

OK, we'll keep a simmer on the raping, slave-taking, murder and arson until after you go back home, then let it boil over. Just for you!

(July 13, 2017 at 6:35 pm)Fireball Wrote:

(July 13, 2017 at 6:04 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: No.

America can't destroy itself.

I've put in too many hours on my own plan to do it!

OK, we'll keep a simmer on the raping, slave-taking, murder and arson until after you go back home, then let it boil over. Just for you!

By the time I leave America will have joined the great Empire of Beccovia, and the current leadership will be...


...elsewhere.

(July 13, 2017 at 6:42 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(July 13, 2017 at 6:35 pm)Fireball Wrote: OK, we'll keep a simmer on the raping, slave-taking, murder and arson until after you go back home, then let it boil over. Just for you!

By the time I leave America will have joined the great Empire of Beccovia, and the current leadership will be...


...elsewhere.

At the Houses of Parliament
Ev'rybody's talking 'bout the President
We all chipped in for a bag of cement

You're probably not old enough to know that tune, since it was released in '74.

(July 13, 2017 at 6:50 pm)Fireball Wrote:

(July 13, 2017 at 6:42 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: By the time I leave America will have joined the great Empire of Beccovia, and the current leadership will be...


...elsewhere.

At the Houses of Parliament
Ev'rybody's talking 'bout the President
We all chipped in for a bag of cement

You're probably not old enough to know that tune, since it was released in '74.

Only ten years before I hatched.

(July 13, 2017 at 5:57 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(July 13, 2017 at 5:39 pm)Khemikal Wrote: If that were true, she wouldn't have been the candidate in 2016, eight years...and much more baggage, later.

Well, it is true that she was stopped in 08, the 16 candidacy notwithstanding. She's given enough hostages to fortune -- the lie about being under sniper-fire, for instance -- that while she might have gotten my vote if Texas were close in 16, it would not have been a vote for her, but against Trump.

I'm not sure how that sentence works.  She was stopped, notwithstanding that she wasn't stopped..and became secretary of state in the bargain..before running again?  Can't you just hear that whistle blowin....cmon, round, the bend.  

Honestly, I doubt that she's done, even now, in government.  Though now...she doesn't need your vote, my vote, or the votes of the rabid masses who were sure she was doing lesbian pizzagates to all the poor marines children in benghazi through her fascist email machine.  She's free to peddle influence without the impediment of governance, without the tedium of pandering..or being caught in a lie while pandering.  Ultimately, I find it ironic that the wingnut right has created, in her, such a powerful platform -for- her.  She can wag that dog by the tail for anyone willing to put a coin in the slot.  We'll all see her face shilling in 2018, and 2020, and........

I'm talking about stopped in 08 by Dems preferring Obama, and in 16 by Dems preferring to stay home.