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RE: No Trans In The Military Says Trump
July 27, 2017 at 2:24 pm
I agree with neo as well.
My opinion does sway towards trans ppl not being at all a problem though, bc I haven't seen a reasonable argument yet for why they would be. Treatment can always be postponed for after their service is up if it is too much liability or if it gets in the way of deployment schedules, etc.
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RE: No Trans In The Military Says Trump
July 27, 2017 at 2:24 pm
Quote:Maybe the reason she's uncomfortable has nothing at all to do with people finding her sexually attractive? Maybe she doesn't like penises that much?
Then does she feel that way about all penises
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RE: No Trans In The Military Says Trump
July 27, 2017 at 2:25 pm
(July 27, 2017 at 2:21 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: The answer is no. Transgender does not adversely affect the military. How can I say that with confidence? Because the british armed forces, which have a longer and rather more victory laden history than the overfunded US boys, have accepted trans people for a while and in fact encourage diversity.
Here is a link to the army LGBT forum
http://armylgbt.org.uk/
This post absolutely deserves attention. If you want to know how well something will work out, don't ignore the other examples of it. The USA is not the only relevant military power in the world no matter how often we try to pretend that is the case.
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RE: No Trans In The Military Says Trump
July 27, 2017 at 2:25 pm
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That's how treatment, for anything, is handled for any soldier. If it needs to be done asap you get cleared and go on profile. If it prevents you from achieving your mos objs then they reassign you or give you a medical discharge. If it doesn't need to be done asap and would prevent or diminish your ability to do your job they tell you to pound sand or quit and forfeit benefits. If it doesn;t need to be done but doesn;t prevent you from performing your duties...you get cleared, and go on profile.
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RE: No Trans In The Military Says Trump
July 27, 2017 at 2:25 pm
As for deployment it has yet to be found a serious problem
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RE: No Trans In The Military Says Trump
July 27, 2017 at 2:26 pm
(July 27, 2017 at 2:24 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I agree with neo as well.
My opinion does sway towards trans ppl not being at all a problem though, bc I haven't seen a reasonable argument yet for why they would be. Treatment can always be postponed for after their service is up if it is too much liability or if it gets in the way of deployment schedules, etc.
I think the high heels are supposed to stop them marching properly or something.
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RE: No Trans In The Military Says Trump
July 27, 2017 at 2:26 pm
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(July 27, 2017 at 2:19 pm)Mathilda Wrote: (July 27, 2017 at 2:17 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Lol I never said anyone was suggesting that it would happen to me.
That's bc we are not on the topic of lesbians.
But if you were worried about lesbians seeing you naked then you wouldn't get naked. Which also means that people who look male with male parts wouldn't see you naked either. So why bring it up?
I don't understand what you're saying.
(July 27, 2017 at 2:21 pm)Shell B Wrote: Maybe the reason she's uncomfortable has nothing at all to do with people finding her sexually attractive? Maybe she doesn't like penises that much?
I like only one peen. 
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RE: No Trans In The Military Says Trump
July 27, 2017 at 2:28 pm
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(July 27, 2017 at 2:21 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (July 26, 2017 at 3:41 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: When it comes to the military, the first priority should be getting the job done as smoothly as possible, period.
Political correctness or being "fair" shouldn't matter. There are many people who want to join the military or want to have a particularly prestigious position in the military and they can't for reasons like asthma, ADHD, diabetes, history of mental illness of any sort... pretty much any type of medical/health condition raises red flags and may disqualify someone from the military or from particular positions within it. It isn't fair, but it isn't supposed to be. It's the military. They have a job to do. Either you meet the rigorous requirements or you don't. No accommodations.
So the big question is, do transgender people being in service hinder or complicate anything in any way? If the answer is yes, then I agree with the ban. If the answer is no, then of course I disagree with it.
As an outsider, I personally I don't see why or how a transgender person would hinder anything or be any sort of liability, but I am an outsider and am aware there may be something I'm missing or not thinking about. I know there are arguments from both sides, as I've got military friends on my facebook right now saying they approve of the ban and others saying they don't - both stating their reasons why or why not. So there's obviously disagreement on this within the military community itself.
At the end of the day, the decision should be made objectively based on what's best for the military and its mission. Not based on politically correctness, and not based on any sort of bigotry against trans folks.
The answer is no. Transgender does not adversely affect the military. How can I say that with confidence? Because the british armed forces, which have a longer and rather more victory laden history than the overfunded US boys, have accepted trans people for a while and in fact encourage diversity.
Here is a link to the army LGBT forum
http://armylgbt.org.uk/
Same here in Canada in fact 15,500 currently serve. After addressing most of the very effectiveness issues
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RE: No Trans In The Military Says Trump
July 27, 2017 at 2:30 pm
(July 27, 2017 at 2:26 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I like only one peen.
Lol! Same here. 
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RE: No Trans In The Military Says Trump
July 27, 2017 at 2:32 pm
(July 27, 2017 at 2:23 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Accept studies have been done and nothing of significance was found .
I agree. I don't see any problem, except having the surgery during a time when you'd be needed for active duty. I just mean generally speaking, since battle-readiness has been proffered as a reason for a ban. My argument was, even if that were true, it doesn't warrant a ban, as they could do other jobs.
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