(July 27, 2017 at 3:32 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(July 27, 2017 at 3:31 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: It's not a comparison between religion and the military. It's a comparison between ideas.

Two ideas that are not analogous.

Of course they are, you just refuse to see it.

Alrighty, whaaatever guy. I just can't take seriously anyone who says that can never support anything the military does, no matter what.

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That's sere training (survival, escape, resistance, evasion). All pilots have to do it. I'm pretty sure id die. The moment they strip me naked and/or trap me in a tiny cage where I have to poop myself, id be like NOPE!

(July 27, 2017 at 3:33 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Alrighty, whaaatever guy.  I just can't take seriously anyone who says that can never support anything the military does, no matter what.

I am quite certain there are plenty of things people cannot support, no matter what.

(July 27, 2017 at 3:21 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(July 27, 2017 at 3:12 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: My husband has to go to sear training within the next few months. I've heard they put you in a small cage for an entire day, beat you, strip you naked, make you go hungry, play mind games on you, etc. Not looking forward to my baby going through that.

That kind of "training" sounds like it is reserved for special forces or special ops. I am not going to ask you to divulge the unit. But still, that is still mostly a mind game and still controlled. You get severely injured or die in any kind of training, those instructors can lose their job and go to prison. 

He's still brave compared to me, just the yelling got to me in Air Force basic. I wish him luck and safety. I mean that sincerely outside our differences on the existence of god/s.

Thank you Brian

(July 27, 2017 at 3:40 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(July 27, 2017 at 3:21 pm)Brian37 Wrote: That kind of "training" sounds like it is reserved for special forces or special ops. I am not going to ask you to divulge the unit. But still, that is still mostly a mind game and still controlled. You get severely injured or die in any kind of training, those instructors can lose their job and go to prison. 

He's still brave compared to me, just the yelling got to me in Air Force basic. I wish him luck and safety. I mean that sincerely outside our differences on the existence of god/s.

Thank you Brian

Yeah..that kind of stuff makes me grateful that there are stronger men than I out there.

(July 27, 2017 at 3:37 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: That's sere training (survival, escape, resistance, evasion). All pilots have to do it. I'm pretty sure id die. The moment they strip me naked and/or trap me in a tiny cage where I have to poop myself, id be like NOPE!

Apart from the pooping yourself part, it sounds like admission to the mental hospital.

You can withstand a lot more than you think. You don't realize it until you have to.

Well, not a big fan of the military in general. In all honesty, if the country is serious about reducing government spending, cutting things like food stamps or meals on wheels is just a drop in the bucket. We need to cut military spending. Unfortunately, this is the worst possible way to cut that spending. In fact, that's the most ridiculous thing of all; the military doesn't bat an eye at spending, say, $200 on a screwdriver or $1,000 on a toaster or billions on a war that nobody wants, but trans people? We're the ones that are too expensive. Is that seriously where you're drawing the line?

Combined with the recent declaration that LGBT people don't fall under the civil rights law, this is an indication that the Cheetoface McGrabbinpuss is going to be hostile towards us, despite the fact that he routinely told us he wasn't. My only hope is that he manages to piss off enough people, is unable to make amends to the people he pisses off and the democrats get their shit together so that we can actually start to swing back to the left. And I mean a real swing to the left; Obama meant well, but he and the democrats were so fucking spineless that they couldn't do anything. That wasn't a swing to the left.

(July 27, 2017 at 3:20 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(July 27, 2017 at 3:14 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: I cannot support the military no matter what.

I understand why they do it. They have to both prepare you for war as well as test your physical and mental state. The ones who aren't fit for it will be weeded out before they are faced with the real thing.

I have never understood why people piss on those who wash out. Why the fuck would you want someone on the job whom could not handle it? Think about it, would you get on a jet if the pilot panicked over a broken gauge or dead engine? NO NO NO, if I get on a jet I want someone like Sully Sullenberger, stay's calm and stays focused. 

I have long hated the mentality that if you admit you cant do something you are weak. No, it just means you cant do that one thing. 

The other aspect of this stigma of failure is that those who go in, can suffer severe PTSD even if they make it through basic, then end up getting their brains mentally scrambled and come back with no help.

I am glad I didn't make it, and I am glad there is a vetting system, both for the safety of those whom make it, and for the safety of those who dont. The last thing you want on the battlefield is someone who cant do their job because they are so stressed out.