(July 27, 2017 at 3:31 pm)Drich Wrote: Hey dumb ass IT WAS A FU*KING JOKE

That, Drich, is the kind of "joke" that verbally abusive people regularly tell -- and then follow it up with "I was just joking" and/or "What's the matter, don't you have a sense of humour?"

Quote:I told this lady to ball up her emotion in to a little ball, put on jogging pants and eat at a buffet til she felt better.

That is terrible, terrible advice.

Quote:what a sick across the board intolerant person you are.

Not across the board -- but yes, I am intolerant of people who misuse medical terminology.  I also do not think highly of you personally, and I have no desire whatsoever to become like you.

(July 28, 2017 at 12:30 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(July 28, 2017 at 12:17 am)Godscreated Wrote:   

Sadly that is your choice. We both can't be right and I'm certain I've made the right choice.

GC

So you are sure men pop out of dirt?

Only one man was made from the dust of the earth directly. The rest of us have mothers.

Brian37 Wrote:You are sure women pop out of a man's rib?

Yes, no doubts.
 

Brian37 Wrote:You are sure that the sun and moon are separate sources of light despite science saying that the photons of the sun bounce off the moon?

God wasn't trying to give a science lesson and the people of the time wouldn't have understood. He did give men brains so that later when we came to understand what was actually happening that we would have understood what and why He stated it in the manner He did. Can't you see that?

Brian37 Wrote:You are sure that Australian Kangaroos swam across several thousands of miles of ocean to get to the Ark?

Are you sure that Australia wasn't connected by a land bridge, or that the one super continent was still together?

Brian37 Wrote:You are sure that despite a limited gene pool after the flood nobody was fucking family members?

 A limited gene pool would have nothing to do with that, your question could be asked about people today, think about it. But to answer your intended question, God did not give a commandment against such marriages until Moses time. I suspect it was because the gene pool was of a purer state and by Moses time the gene pool had become corrupted enough so that God gave the commandment against inter family marriage.
 

Brian37 Wrote:You are sure God ..... proved he was the father of the baby? You are sure that Jesus survived death like Penn and Teller sawed the woman in half?

I'm sure God worked the miracle of the virgin birth, Christ was already the Son before He came to earth to live as a man. Penn and Teller never sawed a woman in half it was an illusion just as you pointed out. Jesus died and was resurrected and in that I have no doubt. Trying to compare the supernatural with the natural is a losing argument for you.
 

Brian37 Wrote:Yep you sound like me when I had a Blockbuster video membership. Went in to rent a movie, spent hours picking one out, got home only to watch it and regretted renting it. I think you are simply stuck in the video store stuck on the shiny packaging and haven't gone back home to stick the video in your player.

 I guess we have all rented a movie we disliked. With that said, I live in a relationship with the living God and I know it's real for many different reasons, of coarse you wouldn't believe they were valid but then God has revealed them to me for me.

GC

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(July 28, 2017 at 12:56 am)Astreja Wrote:

(July 28, 2017 at 12:17 am)Godscreated Wrote: Sadly that is your choice. We both can't be right and I'm certain I've made the right choice.

Well, I happen to have science on my side.  Awareness requires brainwave activity within a certain frequency range.  Dead brains do not generate any brainwaves; hence, no thought, no memory, no sensation and no belief.  (To put this in perspective, we don't experience those things in deep, dreamless sleep either.)

Therefore, if your alleged god wanted to punish someone for what they did in their mortal lifetime, it would have to deliberately and with malice of forethought recreate that person's neural network, complete with memories of that person's deeds, solely for the purpose of torturing them forever.  When one considers that it would be just as easy to recreate a heaven-worthy personality, your god is *ahem* without excuse.

I am so sure that heaven and hell are utter bollocks, though, that I actually took a vow to go to hell if for some reason it exists (although I doubt that very, very much).  It's been 10 years since I made that vow and I have no regrets and no fear.

 God doesn't have to recreate those things in those who have chosen hell, those memories reside in the soul and will remain with them forever in hell. Seeing that people choose hell they are responsible for where they spend eternity, God is giving them their choice. If God saved you for heaven against your will you would go screaming and kicking into heaven and that just wouldn't work for many reasons I'm sure scientific mind can reason. As for your last statement above. You will!

GC

(July 28, 2017 at 2:12 am)Godscreated Wrote: God doesn't have to recreate those things in those who have chosen hell, those memories reside in the soul...

No evidence for souls -- They can't even keep us aware of ourselves when we're in the deep dreamless phase of sleep.  I see no reason whatsoever that they should get better at that particular job when the brain itself has degenerated to the point of non-functionability.

In your mythology, the people condemned by your god are powerless and cannot "choose" to not be tortured.  Your god remains 100% responsible for all pain they may experience, regardless of the feeble excuses you and other believers make to absolve your god of its barbaric and unforgivable behaviour.

You are choosing to worship a being whom you believe allows sentient beings to suffer unimaginable torment for eternity.  Shame on you.

Godscreated Wrote:

Mister Agenda Wrote:Believe me, if he's torturing me, I'll be ready to believe whatever he wants and accept whoever he wants me to in a matter of seconds. I know what being burned feels like.

But I won't do it just because members of a locally popular religious sect have stories to tell.

If I was going to follow a theistic religion, why would I pick one whose deity acts like a Mafia Don?

 If you are speaking about doing so after death that will be to late, God didn't offer us salvation just to keep us out of hell. He's whole reason was to reunite us with Him and live the eternal life He desires for us, beginning here and lasting through eternity.
Your opinion of God is your's and a wrong one I might add, I should know I live in that relationship I keep telling you about.

GC

Too bad God never gives you tips on how to post in a way that a reasonable person would find convincing or appealing. If this is you with God on your side, you must be epically pathetic without him.

Of course it's too late after I'm dead, that's how the scam works: I have to believe you about what will happen to me after I die or I'll be sorry. Once I believe you, you can use that fear to manipulate me. But only an idiot would even bring that up before the person they're talking to believes in the consequence that you're threatening. You convince people of hell AFTER you convince them your religion is true, else they have no reason to believe you and it comes off as a laughably impotent threat. There's certainly no indication that Jesus tried to tell nonbelievers that they were going to hell if they didn't follow him. He had good advice on winning converts, it would be so refreshing to encounter a Christian who used his methods. And God allowing me to reevaluate my position after I KNOW he's real would just be too fair and just to be believable as the tyrant described in the Bible. I know that given the choice of God being just or sticking to the Bible, you'll stick with the Bible. After all, how could an edited, translated book millennia old with no original copies surviving that's the product of an iron age oral tradition possibly get anything wrong?

If all God wants is for us to unite with him, there shouldn't even be a hell. But he doesn't want us to just unite with him. He wants anyone who doesn't get on board to suffer in agonizing torment forever and ever. And the method he has chosen to get us on the path to uniting with him is to send us you and people like you. And not only do you not have evidence, logic, or reason on your side; you're not even someone who gives the slightest impression that they have been touched by an even slightly higher being, let alone the creator and omniscient sustainer of the universe.

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Godscreated Wrote:

Brian37 Wrote:You are sure that the sun and moon are separate sources of light despite science saying that the photons of the sun bounce off the moon?

God wasn't trying to give a science lesson and the people of the time wouldn't have understood. He did give men brains so that later when we came to understand what was actually happening that we would have understood what and why He stated it in the manner He did. Can't you see that?

It's so simple that I can explain it to a four year old child, but the omnipotent creator of the universe found it to hard to explain to adults? The sun is the source of light and the moon reflects light from the sun. What's so hard about that? Why on earth would an iron age peasant not be able to understand that? Why would they even have trouble accepting it as a tenet of their religion even if they didn't understand it?

Pro-tip: an omnipotent being can make you understand whatever it wants you to understand. Please keep that in mind going forward.

(July 28, 2017 at 1:04 am)Astreja Wrote:

(July 27, 2017 at 3:31 pm)Drich Wrote: Hey dumb ass IT WAS A FU*KING JOKE

That, Drich, is the kind of "joke" that verbally abusive people regularly tell -- and then follow it up with "I was just joking" and/or "What's the matter, don't you have a sense of humour?"

SELF DEPRECATING HUMOR FASCIST G-O-O-G-L-E IT.
You just can let anyone have a word in edge wise without the first proving themselves to be full indoctrinated.

Quote:I told this lady to ball up her emotion in to a little ball, put on jogging pants and eat at a buffet til she felt better.

Quote:That is terrible, terrible advice.

OMG!!! THAT IS THE POINT!!! I Am saying that is what I do! Eat until it feels better!
-OR do what normal people do and go and see someone!!!

Quote:Not across the board -- but yes, I am intolerant of people who misuse medical terminology.  I also do not think highly of you personally, and I have no desire whatsoever to become like you.

WFT are you talking about??? Why would I want your admiration 1, and two what medical term did I use with the OP, 3 who said anything about being like me. 4 If i did not use any medical terms with the OP then why did you even open you fat mouth? Are you so steeped in self righteousness you must speak in opposition no matter what a christian might say?

(July 27, 2017 at 3:31 pm)Drich Wrote:

Quote:just yet another self-righteous ninny who thinks he has an inviolable right to act like a preachy and presumptuous turd because he's "saved" and thereby above mortal reproach.

Where did that come from you f-ing moron??? oh that's right from the sterotypes you have assigned my strawman.. You just got don blasting me for not being a christian now you are saying I am too christian? wow that is a broad brush you paint with my dear. which is it? not enough or too much?

Because again All I said do was go eat ice cream till you got sick

How about in EVERY FUCKING POST THAT YOU SPEW OUT ON THIS SITE?

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(July 28, 2017 at 12:47 am)Astonished Wrote:

(July 28, 2017 at 12:43 am)Godscreated Wrote:  The guy did not stick around to give advice to unless he is a sock and if that's the case he's not going to care anyway. his whole interest would have been to get a rise out of people. I'm not confused about who thinks what, it's the atheist here that are confused, so confused I thought it prudent to explain the unforgivable sin one more time.

GC

See, you've just proved my point about faith. Regardless of your level of it, you have to have come to the conclusion that a nonbeliever is deluded and/or stupid and/or ignorant and/or mistaken. Not one of those things is possible not to feel insulted by.

And, since the bible says faith is a gift from god, what are we to think?

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(July 28, 2017 at 11:55 am)Drich Wrote: Are you so steeped in self righteousness you must speak in opposition no matter what a christian might say?

Try saying something that isn't ignorant, close-minded and insulting and we'll find out.

Er...maybe we'll never know...

(Springy G reads through Drich's diatribe in post #135, shrugs, and smiles enigmatically)

(July 28, 2017 at 2:12 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(July 28, 2017 at 12:30 am)Brian37 Wrote: So you are sure men pop out of dirt?

Only one man was made from the dust of the earth directly. The rest of us have mothers.

Brian37 Wrote:You are sure women pop out of a man's rib?

Yes, no doubts.
 

Brian37 Wrote:You are sure that the sun and moon are separate sources of light despite science saying that the photons of the sun bounce off the moon?

God wasn't trying to give a science lesson and the people of the time wouldn't have understood. He did give men brains so that later when we came to understand what was actually happening that we would have understood what and why He stated it in the manner He did. Can't you see that?

Brian37 Wrote:You are sure that Australian Kangaroos swam across several thousands of miles of ocean to get to the Ark?

Are you sure that Australia wasn't connected by a land bridge, or that the one super continent was still together?

Brian37 Wrote:You are sure that despite a limited gene pool after the flood nobody was fucking family members?

 A limited gene pool would have nothing to do with that, your question could be asked about people today, think about it. But to answer your intended question, God did not give a commandment against such marriages until Moses time. I suspect it was because the gene pool was of a purer state and by Moses time the gene pool had become corrupted enough so that God gave the commandment against inter family marriage.
 

Brian37 Wrote:You are sure God ..... proved he was the father of the baby? You are sure that Jesus survived death like Penn and Teller sawed the woman in half?

I'm sure God worked the miracle of the virgin birth, Christ was already the Son before He came to earth to live as a man. Penn and Teller never sawed a woman in half it was an illusion just as you pointed out. Jesus died and was resurrected and in that I have no doubt. Trying to compare the supernatural with the natural is a losing argument for you.
 

Brian37 Wrote:Yep you sound like me when I had a Blockbuster video membership. Went in to rent a movie, spent hours picking one out, got home only to watch it and regretted renting it. I think you are simply stuck in the video store stuck on the shiny packaging and haven't gone back home to stick the video in your player.

 I guess we have all rented a movie we disliked. With that said, I live in a relationship with the living God and I know it's real for many different reasons, of coarse you wouldn't believe they were valid but then God has revealed them to me for me.

GC

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(July 28, 2017 at 12:56 am)Astreja Wrote: Well, I happen to have science on my side.  Awareness requires brainwave activity within a certain frequency range.  Dead brains do not generate any brainwaves; hence, no thought, no memory, no sensation and no belief.  (To put this in perspective, we don't experience those things in deep, dreamless sleep either.)

Therefore, if your alleged god wanted to punish someone for what they did in their mortal lifetime, it would have to deliberately and with malice of forethought recreate that person's neural network, complete with memories of that person's deeds, solely for the purpose of torturing them forever.  When one considers that it would be just as easy to recreate a heaven-worthy personality, your god is *ahem* without excuse.

I am so sure that heaven and hell are utter bollocks, though, that I actually took a vow to go to hell if for some reason it exists (although I doubt that very, very much).  It's been 10 years since I made that vow and I have no regrets and no fear.

 God doesn't have to recreate those things in those who have chosen hell, those memories reside in the soul and will remain with them forever in hell. Seeing that people choose hell they are responsible for where they spend eternity, God is giving them their choice. If God saved you for heaven against your will you would go screaming and kicking into heaven and that just wouldn't work for many reasons I'm sure scientific mind can reason. As for your last statement above. You will!

GC

Your God does not exist, but if you agree that the book does not claim the character was trying to teach science, then why would I need the character? I can find morals in Charlotte's Web too, but nobody has turned that into a religion.

No sorry, I was just having this same argument with a guy on Twitter about this. Back when that was written the writers really did make a bad guess and DID think that the moon was it's own source of light. Just like they thought falsely that the earth was made in 6 days.

What you are doing, is trying to make excuses to cling to bad claims and old claims because science has now come along and said, "It didn't happen that way."

I am being fair to you because I don't give credit to any part of antiquity anywhere in the world under any religious label, for what modern science knows now.

Everyone of every religion worldwide claims their religion makes them good. I am arguing that our species behaviors are in our genes, not old mythology or old religions. Our ability to make discoveries is because our species evolved to be curious. Our species certainly has the capability to be compassionate and non violent and sharing. I simply dispute that a religion does that or a holy writing does that. 

Humans make those things up and merely think that is how good and bad are explained. But again, every religion in the world does this.

Deletey McDeleteface. 

Boru

(July 28, 2017 at 8:59 am)Astreja Wrote:

(July 28, 2017 at 2:12 am)Godscreated Wrote: God doesn't have to recreate those things in those who have chosen hell, those memories reside in the soul...

No evidence for souls -- They can't even keep us aware of ourselves when we're in the deep dreamless phase of sleep.  I see no reason whatsoever that they should get better at that particular job when the brain itself has degenerated to the point of non-functionability.

In your mythology, the people condemned by your god are powerless and cannot "choose" to not be tortured.  Your god remains 100% responsible for all pain they may experience, regardless of the feeble excuses you and other believers make to absolve your god of its barbaric and unforgivable behaviour.

You are choosing to worship a being whom you believe allows sentient beings to suffer unimaginable torment for eternity.  Shame on you.

again there is... I just left three scientific sources that say the opposite.. maybe address what they say rather than stick to the old 80's atheism.

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(July 28, 2017 at 12:28 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote:

(July 27, 2017 at 3:31 pm)Drich Wrote: Where did that come from you f-ing moron??? oh that's right from the sterotypes you have assigned my strawman.. You just got don blasting me for not being a christian now you are saying I am too christian? wow that is a broad brush you paint with my dear. which is it? not enough or too much?

Because again All I said do was go eat ice cream till you got sick

How about in EVERY FUCKING POST THAT YOU SPEW OUT ON THIS SITE?

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(July 28, 2017 at 11:55 am)Drich Wrote: Are you so steeped in self righteousness you must speak in opposition no matter what a christian might say?

Try saying something that isn't ignorant, close-minded and insulting and we'll find out.

Er...maybe we'll never know...

You mean like what I said to the OP?

Nothing to do with God. Nothing to do with insults. Matter of fact corrected the OP and said this was not a God matter but a depression matter... Then made a joke about my self in how I deal with depression or suggested the OP go about it like normal people do (get help)

No that could be an example because I was lambasted for being too preachy. and the accusation continued for 15 post exchanges. 15. Then and only then when you rock for brains "thinkers" figure out that I am right. God was never apart of my advise, I get accused of misusing the word depression and because of that misuse no one should ever be Christian. Just pure hate.

Then you checked in starting this whole mess over. You start out by claiming I preach every post. I don't and this was a fine example of my suggesting non conventional and conventional means of seeking help. You 'noob-us' shamefully are unaware of that fact and like your contemparies are 100% depending on stereotype and straw man to validate your take.

You are trolling and you are wrong.

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(July 28, 2017 at 1:12 pm)Astreja Wrote: (Springy G reads through Drich's diatribe in post #135, shrugs, and smiles enigmatically)

Drich read post 137 and understands 'springy G' just now gets it, and her silence in that moment is the closest thing she will offer to a concession for her applied  prolonged, hate sustained ignorance, and persecution of anything Christian, for the sake of being Christian. That said let us continue back to are regularly scheduled slug fest.