That is true. Though I'd argue that leaving your car running, unlocked, and unattended is much more exposing than taking a naked photo of yourself in the privacy of your home on your personal cell phone. I don't think they're really on the same level. I'd say getting your phone hacked and your pictures stolen is on the same level as getting your house broken into and robbed. And when that happens, no one says "well, they should have had an alarm system/better security."

(July 31, 2017 at 12:46 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It's almost like there still exists this underlying, subconscious mentality that women are walking temptations and men are gonna do what men are gonna do.

Your point is well-taken and it is unfortunate.  To a degree, I'm somewhat concerned that my interactions with women (especially those who I don't know very well or if they happen to be good-looking as per whatever societal/cultural standards) may very well be misunderstood due to the part in bold quoted above; thus, resulting in me being lumped into a stereotype that has nothing to do with me.

(July 31, 2017 at 1:05 pm)Kernel Sohcahtoa Wrote:

(July 31, 2017 at 12:46 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It's almost like there still exists this underlying, subconscious mentality that women are walking temptations and men are gonna do what men are gonna do.

Your point is well-taken and it is unfortunate.  To a degree, I'm somewhat concerned that my interactions with women (especially those who I don't know very well or if they happen to be good-looking as per whatever societal/cultural standards) may very well be misunderstood due to the part in bold quoted above; thus, resulting in me being lumped into a stereotype that has nothing to do with me.

I highly doubt that. You're such a respectful person.

(July 29, 2017 at 2:11 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm curious to know how ya'll feel about the morality of looking at stolen nude photos of celebrities that were posted on the internet. 

One case in particular that comes to mind is Jennifer Lawrence. Her cloud account was hacked about 3 years ago and the nude photos she had taken of herself for her boyfriend were posted on the internet and got thousands of views, all against her consent. 

I'm sure we can all agree that having stolen them and posted them is wrong. But is it wrong to google them and look at them once they are out there?

JLaw had this to say about it: 

Quote:I can't even describe to anybody what it feels like to have my naked body shoot across the world like a news flash against my will. It just makes me feel like a piece of meat that's being passed around for a profit. Just because I'm a public figure, just because I'm an actress, does not mean that I asked for this. It does not mean that it comes with the territory. It's my body, and it should be my choice, and the fact that it is not my choice is absolutely disgusting. I can't believe that we even live in that kind of world. People forget that we're human. Just the fact that somebody can be sexually exploited and violated, and the first thought that crosses somebody's mind is to make a profit from it. It's so beyond me. I just can't imagine being that detached from humanity. I can't imagine being that thoughtless and careless and so empty inside. Anybody who looked at those pictures, you're perpetuating a sexual offense. You should cower with shame. Even people who I know and love say, ‘Oh, yeah, I looked at the pictures.’ I don't want to get mad, but at the same time I'm thinking, I didn't tell you that you could look at my naked body.

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2014...ng-privacy

Thoughts?

I think its an invasion of privacy. Taking them in the first place is a bit silly but it seems to be what the kids do these days. in my day you'd have gotten a stern look from the man at boots after he'd processed them.

(July 31, 2017 at 11:16 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: But not sure how me not Googling her pic will reduce the damage at this point. She'll never know I didn't look. The harm was done when the pics were released on the internet. I empathize with how she must feel about strangers ogling her nude pics when she never intended that. It would be cold to contemplate that and then rush off to do some ogling myself.

But someone who likes to view nude celebrity pics of Anniston is going to find them, even if they're faked. Short of some sort of software to find and erase them, there's not much to be done about it. I'm not sure if it completes the journey from just creepy to plain wrong though.

Thought experiment: change Jennifer Aniston's pics to child porn. I know it's extreme, but the same argument gets made all the time by pedophiles. Is there a reason why the standard applies only in one situation? I think the comparison is fair.

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(July 31, 2017 at 12:46 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It's almost like there still exists this underlying, subconscious mentality that women are walking temptations and men are gonna do what men are gonna do.

Hmmm... almost, huh?

(July 31, 2017 at 2:09 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:

(July 31, 2017 at 12:46 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It's almost like there still exists this underlying, subconscious mentality that women are walking temptations and men are gonna do what men are gonna do.

Hmmm... almost, huh?

SC and Kernel... should we do "what men are gonna do"?... or go on being our dumb selves?

(July 29, 2017 at 2:19 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Anyone who thinks that any part of the web is "secure" is simply deluding themselves.  If you must take nude photos of yourself copy them to a flash drive and wear them on a chain around your neck.

Just because they're not safe and people would look in X situation doesn't mean they should look in X situation.

That sounds like the logic my stepdad used when he said that I shouldn't act X way because people would punch my lights out for it. Doesn't mean they should.

The OP is not saying that it's realistic to expect people to not look. It clearly isn't realistic to expect that... and that's the problem.

(July 31, 2017 at 2:18 pm)pocaracas Wrote: SC and Kernel... should we do "what men are gonna do"?... or go on being our dumb selves?

Or... recognize that we can think about how our actions will affect others before we do them. At its root, this is the backlash against PC culture. The idea that I should be required to consider my actions before I act.

(July 29, 2017 at 2:40 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(July 29, 2017 at 2:26 pm)Nymphadora Wrote: No question about it... it's rude to steal nude pictures of anyone and use them without permission. Celebrity or not. People who engage in this sort of behavior are ignorant and beneath low.

That really was not C/L's question though.  Yes the hacker was wrong and committed a crime but once they are out there is it then a crime to look at them?  There are 13 year old boys who need a constant supply of fresh wanking material.

She's quoted as saying that she knows it isn't a crime. Just because something is legal doesn't make it moral.

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(July 29, 2017 at 2:40 pm)Mermaid Wrote: I don't think it's actually a crime to look at them, but I think it's unethical and immoral.

^^

Women are a walking temptation to men. Many of us want to see all the boobs. This wasn't our idea. There is no upside to wanting to see the tits of women who don't want us to see their tits. We can certainly pretend we don't want to see your boobs. Only sneak peaks, or wait until we're wearing sunglasses to take a look, or maybe even have an aneurysm trying to avert our gaze from some visible cleavage. But if the solution is "Why can't men just stop viewing women as sexual objects?" The answer is because that's how we were intelligently designed. It's not fair. It's not women's fault. It's not men's fault. It's just how it is.

An anecdotal tale related to this. I had surgery a few years ago, and had to take some pain meds for a couple weeks. A side effect that hit me was it killed my sex drive. It was pretty wild to just not be interested in women for a while. Just a switch being turned off. But a takeaway, was that it's a chemical thing. We keep figuring out more and more that people don't have a choice in who they are, but over and over again, we still deny it in other circumstances, because it's just easier.

I don't know what the solution is, but I know the current strategy isn't going to work. Shaming people for who they are rarely has positive results.