Quote:I don't quite agree that man is not accountable for Adam's sin, Adam was mankind's representative so when he sinned we all sinned.

Which makes no sense at all. It's like you or I being sent to jail because our great granddad stole a car 60 odd years ago. Why should we be punished for something we didn't do? If our justice system was like that, we'd all be in prison! Make sense of that.
Without a doubt one of your relatives from the past must of done something pretty evil at some point. Should I execute you for their crimes? No fair trial, no word you say will be listened too. All you gotta do is apologise for being born and for your age old relatives actions for which you had no control over.

God is an idiot. His system is deeply flawed. A 10 year old could do better.
If this really is the best god can do, I can confidently say, I'm a far superior designer.

(July 29, 2011 at 1:57 am)Rhythm Wrote: In the beginning of what? God is timeless is he not, existing before the earth and man and all that jazz. Classic dreamtime myth, it is what it is. If god existed before time, then there was a "time before time", if time began when god created the earth, then all of the time before that was the time before time. I think I see our disconnect GC, I'm just reading the damned book, you're reading into it. Perhaps you and Frodo should have this conversation. He's of the opinion that genesis is not a literal account of creation (he's right), that its a narrative to do with function and purpose (also right), I know you'd blow a gasket, but he comes back full circle for you, in that the function and purpose somehow involves god (and there's the left turn into fantasy land).

I'd even take frodo off ignore to watch you two settle it, the True Doctrine, once and for all.

God is eternal, has always been eternal and will always be eternal, therefore time means nothing for God. He never has existed in time because there was no time, God created time, there are probably more ways to state this but I think you get the jest of what I'm saying, No Time Until God Created It.
You should not have Fr0d0 on ignore you could learn a thing or two from him. As far as a debate with Fr0d0, he has his reasons to believe what he does just as I have mine and I see no need in a debate on this sudject between two christians that claim the same Christ as saviour.

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(July 29, 2011 at 3:22 am)FaithNoMore Wrote:

(July 29, 2011 at 1:55 am)Godschild Wrote: "In the beginning God created," just how did you manage to read past the third word in the Bible. Guess it must have snuck-up on you real fast.

Remember, your god exists outside of time, therefore there can be no beginning.

My reply to you is the same as my reply to Rhythm, read that and you'll have your's.

And your reply will remain as illogical and evasive as it was in response to Rhythm.

I've debated both you and Frodo on the very same topics. You have wildly divergent opinions on the matter. In your myth cycle, Frodos belief in christ would be his only saving grace, and in Frodos myth cycle your ham fisted literal interpretation strips the narrative of any deeper meaning whatsoever. I have Frodo on ignore because I know that he is capable but unwilling to have an honest debate. You are not on ignore because you are incapable of debate, and the things you say make me smile, every time.

You say that someone has "reasons to believe" well, invert that statement to "reasons to disbelieve" and you find us. While Frodo gets a pass on his heresies, you refuse to acknowledge or absolve us of our own. You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth, and Christ would not have approved.

Am I to understand that it is forgivable for a believer to misrepresent or lie about the "Truth of His Nature", but a non-believers doubts or uncertainty regarding which interpretation is the truth is unforgivable?

I tried my hardest several times in chat to answer questions the way Rhthm wanted them answered. His best argument against belief is hostrionics divorced from religion. He has given up, because there was no way for him to win. He's blocked me so he doesn't have to acknowledge that.

The entire notion of original sin is retarded, even as a metaphor. For the outside observer who can get perspective on the christian control machine, it is clear to see that such a guilt train was created to control the believer.

(Original sin) It's a Catholic invention that does seem to satisfy that condition.

Ah, but Frods...without it who needs "jesus?"

With the guilt trip they don't need Jesus.

It would be a huge step toward integrity for the Catholics to get rid of the J-man.