(August 4, 2017 at 2:19 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(August 3, 2017 at 9:58 pm)Godscreated Wrote: you could have that same proof if you wanted it.

GC

I've sought it, on bended knee with an open mind (what you would call an open heart). Never got any response other than crickets. So you can take your claims of proof and put them with all your other evidences and arguments. And, please, flush when you're done.

 Open minded an open hearted are two different things, both are important, both are needed. I've been there and understand what you're saying, but when I added my contrite heart in with my open mind things changed.

GC

(August 4, 2017 at 3:16 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(August 3, 2017 at 10:34 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Having to hide all of these quotes so we don't have to wade through a wall of text is a PAIN.

"The Bible is the only source" - there are billions of Muslims and Hindus and Mormons - and others - who would tell you that you have the wrong book.  I've read the Bible through many times, and memorized most of it.  It is neither factual, nor holy.  It's an evil book of fairy tales.  It proves absolutely nothing.  Your personal feelings are not proof, your personal stories are not proof - we can trick our brains into believing absolutely anything if we want it badly enough.  Your assertions mean less than nothing.

 There I got rid of them. The Bible is the only source about the God of creation and salvation, all the other text you refer to have methods outside of God's plan, they are worthless for knowing God. You say you have read the Bible many times and that it contains no facts, when in reality it contains many facts and I'm sure you do not know what holy means so i'll let you slide on that, so i doubt you have ever picked up the Bible let lone read it. I've never tried to prove to you the Bible says God is real nor have I tried to prove Him with my personal stories. I have shared them for those who want to read them, if you do not like them then stop reading them or put me on ignore, that way you do not have to get bent out of shape.

GC

I was raised Fundamentalist.  I had to quote my daily memorized babble verses every night before dinner.

The Bible is a source of fairy tales and nothing more.  It proves nothing.  Your personal stories and personal feelings prove nothing.  Your assertions that "god" is real and that "god" is the only "god" prove nothing - - other than your own hypocritical smug position that you have the "RIGHT" answers and billions and billions of people are wrong - - and you're going to get the everlasting joy of listening to their screams forever.  

You're here because you think we're wrong and deluded and you're right, therefore we need teaching.  That means that you insult our intelligence and existence with every post.  Thankfully, you also insult your own intelligence with every post, which is probably why you haven't been banned yet.

(August 4, 2017 at 3:21 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(August 4, 2017 at 2:19 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: I've sought it, on bended knee with an open mind (what you would call an open heart). Never got any response other than crickets. So you can take your claims of proof and put them with all your other evidences and arguments. And, please, flush when you're done.

 Open minded an open hearted are two different things, both are important, both are needed. I've been there and understand what you're saying, but when I added my contrite heart in with my open mind things changed.

GC

Your heart is a pump. It can't feel contrition or, any other emotion.

(August 4, 2017 at 8:02 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:

(August 3, 2017 at 9:58 pm)Godscreated Wrote: 1)Yes Christ is God.
2)God did not create evil, so that makes your reasoning about Christianity wrong.
 3)God is completely worthy of worship.

And yet, he said he did in the bible.  I must be reading it wrong.  Let me just drive this ice pick into my forehead....

OUCH!  Hey, now it makes perfect sense!

I'm assuming you are referring to #2 and no He did not, if you read my other post to others you'll get your answer.

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(August 3, 2017 at 9:58 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  No I would not believe another god has spoken to anyone because the God of the Bible says there are no other gods.

 What shouldn't exist is that stupid argument you and other atheist use. The Bible is the only source for coming to understand God. It's those crazy mentors of the atheist that started such foolishness and you've played right into their hands, you think they want to be alone in hell.

 I personally have proof that the God of the Bible exists, you could have that same proof if you wanted it.

GC

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Harry N Wrote:Personal proof is so convenient.  

I'm sure you realize how ridiculous it is to have only one source for what is probably the biggest decision one can make.  But it wasn't the only source, was it?  You were raised christian in a christian nation.  If you claim that that had no effect on you accepting the bible as fact when you could read it, you're more delusional than I thought.  And that is one high bar.

  
 Personal proof is what it is, for me. I share it on occasion for those who might want to read it.
  Yeah, like all the different papers on evolution that contradict each other. God intended for the Bible to be the only source, it's His word from Him personally why would there be a need for more than one. What does me being raised in the US have anything to do with it, many atheist were raised here too. Actually  the bold (by me) makes no sense at all, but I still answered it for you.

GC

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(August 4, 2017 at 3:25 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(August 4, 2017 at 3:21 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  Open minded an open hearted are two different things, both are important, both are needed. I've been there and understand what you're saying, but when I added my contrite heart in with my open mind things changed.

GC

Your heart is a pump. It can't feel contrition or, any other emotion.

 This is for those with little understanding heart=soul, please remember this for the future.

GC

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(August 4, 2017 at 7:43 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(August 3, 2017 at 9:58 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

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 Are you speaking of me?

GC

You're confident enough about your ability to read me to tell me my motivations, but you can't tell when I'm talking about you when the context is crystal clear. Huh.

 
I thought it was but wanted to make sure that post was in response to the post from you that I answered.
 That's all.
GC

(August 4, 2017 at 3:21 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(August 4, 2017 at 2:19 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: I've sought it, on bended knee with an open mind (what you would call an open heart). Never got any response other than crickets. So you can take your claims of proof and put them with all your other evidences and arguments. And, please, flush when you're done.

 Open minded an open hearted are two different things, both are important, both are needed. I've been there and understand what you're saying, but when I added my contrite heart in with my open mind things changed.

GC

More of, "you're doing it wrong".

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(August 4, 2017 at 3:36 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(August 4, 2017 at 8:02 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: And yet, he said he did in the bible.  I must be reading it wrong.  Let me just drive this ice pick into my forehead....

OUCH!  Hey, now it makes perfect sense!

I'm assuming you are referring to #2 and no He did not, if you read my other post to others you'll get your answer.

So I'm just reading Isiah wrong?

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(August 4, 2017 at 3:36 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  
 Personal proof is what it is, for me. I share it on occasion for those who might want to read it.
  Yeah, like all the different papers on evolution that contradict each other. God intended for the Bible to be the only source, it's His word from Him personally why would there be a need for more than one. What does me being raised in the US have anything to do with it, many atheist were raised here too. Actually  the bold (by me) makes no sense at all, but I still answered it for you.

GC

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Are you saying every paper on evolution is meant to stand alone?  That explains a lot.  And if you don't see how christianity is pushed on a conscious and unconscious level in the US, you're dimmer than I thought.

(August 4, 2017 at 3:22 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:

(August 4, 2017 at 3:16 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  There I got rid of them. The Bible is the only source about the God of creation and salvation, all the other text you refer to have methods outside of God's plan, they are worthless for knowing God. You say you have read the Bible many times and that it contains no facts, when in reality it contains many facts and I'm sure you do not know what holy means so i'll let you slide on that, so i doubt you have ever picked up the Bible let lone read it. I've never tried to prove to you the Bible says God is real nor have I tried to prove Him with my personal stories. I have shared them for those who want to read them, if you do not like them then stop reading them or put me on ignore, that way you do not have to get bent out of shape.

GC

I was raised Fundamentalist.  I had to quote my daily memorized babble verses every night before dinner.

So you say.

drfuzzy Wrote:The Bible is a source of fairy tales and nothing more.  It proves nothing.  Your personal stories and personal feelings prove nothing.  Your assertions that "god" is real and that "god" is the only "god" prove nothing - - other than your own hypocritical smug position that you have the "RIGHT" answers and billions and billions of people are wrong - - and you're going to get the everlasting joy of listening to their screams forever.

I know , I know I'm the one who needs to prove God and as I've said many times on here I can't to your satisfaction. However you have no proof God doesn't exist to my satisfaction. Stalemate. I'm neither hypocritical nor smug, it's you who has a insecure feelings, so do not trouble me by calling me names, I do not do that to you, so now who should be called smug. 

drfuzzy Wrote:You're here because you think we're wrong and deluded and you're right, therefore we need teaching.  That means that you insult our intelligence and existence with every post.  Thankfully, you also insult your own intelligence with every post, which is probably why you haven't been banned yet.

  Correct I am here because I know I'm right and want to share it with you and on occasion I've called some here deluded and I might have done the same to you, don't remember. When I do it's because the person has shown me that they are deluded or plain stupid and I prefer not to use the latter. I haven't been banned because I stay within the rules unlike some here who can get away with it or when they can't they cry and run away. I'm not trying to insult your intelligence and actually cherish your existence, it's what God's people are to do and it's one part of my Christian life I cherish, people are important to me, though some make it very difficult.

GC

(August 4, 2017 at 3:48 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote: So I'm just reading Isiah wrong?

Well duh. Unless you were wearing your gawd-blinders. You know, the glasses with black lenses and an attached hearing aid to ensure you don't have to read anything but can clearly hear the shaman spewing his idiocy.

(August 4, 2017 at 4:03 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

drfuzzy Wrote:You're here because you think we're wrong and deluded and you're right, therefore we need teaching.  That means that you insult our intelligence and existence with every post.  Thankfully, you also insult your own intelligence with every post, which is probably why you haven't been banned yet.

  Correct I am here because I know I'm right and want to share it with you and on occasion I've called some here deluded and I might have done the same to you, don't remember. 
GC

No one remembers.  Why should we care about your good opinion.  Consider the source.

(August 4, 2017 at 3:48 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote:

(August 4, 2017 at 3:21 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  Open minded an open hearted are two different things, both are important, both are needed. I've been there and understand what you're saying, but when I added my contrite heart in with my open mind things changed.

GC

More of, "you're doing it wrong".

That would be correct, sorry if you do not like it, just trying to let you know the difference and that it took me a while to find that same thing out.

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(August 4, 2017 at 3:36 pm)Godscreated Wrote: I'm assuming you are referring to #2 and no He did not, if you read my other post to others you'll get your answer.

Harry N Wrote:So I'm just reading Isiah wrong?

I know what the KJV says, they used a wrong translation from the Greek to the English. No other place in scripture does it say God created evil except in that verse and in that version, could be in another version I'm not aware of. The correct translation for that word is calamity. This has been a subject of debate around here for many years and all the Christians have pointed out the error. Though in the context of the verses around it and the book it's in evil can be used, though calamity makes it easier to understand without going through a study of the verses. So in a way you didn't read it wrong, the KJV needs to be update for that verse. Not sure what the NKJV says, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's unchanged. Want a good translation the ESV and the NASB are two of the best, I use them both. Using a study version of those translations will give you insight into the meaning of many things. Saying just encase.....

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(August 4, 2017 at 3:36 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  
 Personal proof is what it is, for me. I share it on occasion for those who might want to read it.
  Yeah, like all the different papers on evolution that contradict each other. God intended for the Bible to be the only source, it's His word from Him personally why would there be a need for more than one. What does me being raised in the US have anything to do with it, many atheist were raised here too. Actually  the bold (by me) makes no sense at all, but I still answered it for you.

GC

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HarryN Wrote:Are you saying every paper on evolution is meant to stand alone?  That explains a lot.  And if you don't see how christianity is pushed on a conscious and unconscious level in the US, you're dimmer than I thought.

  
 No though I do believe they are all wrong. People see what they want to see, especially when they strongly oppose something and believe it's being pushed on them. 

  GC

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(August 4, 2017 at 4:10 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(August 4, 2017 at 4:03 pm)Godscreated Wrote:   Correct I am here because I know I'm right and want to share it with you and on occasion I've called some here deluded and I might have done the same to you, don't remember. 
GC

No one remembers.  Why should we care about your good opinion.  Consider the source.

  Some think what I share has great meaning, I know of two people who have come to the Lord through the way I lived and spoke.

GC

Well it pays to catch them at a low point. Belonging to something, even something as odious as the church, can be attractive to some when they're in dire straights.