(September 4, 2017 at 3:43 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(September 4, 2017 at 3:21 pm)Cyberman Wrote:

Sam Harris fails to see a lot. He is an idiot and should not be relied on.

He's not the one talking to imaginary friends, is he?

(September 4, 2017 at 3:56 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(September 4, 2017 at 3:44 pm)Hammy Wrote:

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And?

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Some pretty big names in science belonged to Muslims through the ages.

And?

Are you just stating random facts involving Muslims?

(September 4, 2017 at 4:28 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(September 4, 2017 at 4:06 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I am talking about the exact value we have as individuals.

I know what you think you're talking about.
What I ask is if that is a thing that exists as you think it does.

The way I see it, value is attributed by humans.
Think of money. What makes it valuable? Do small round metal things have any "exact value"? Or do they have the value that each person attributes to it? Does the same thing have the same monetary cost in different shops?

The value of human beings has an exact objective value irrespective of what other humans attribute them or what they attribute themselves.

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(September 4, 2017 at 4:31 pm)Cyberman Wrote:

(September 4, 2017 at 3:43 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Sam Harris fails to see a lot. He is an idiot and should not be relied on.

He's not the one talking to imaginary friends, is he?

If you mean "hidden" friends from the five senses, I think it's absolutely sad and foolish not to have the Guide and the Twelve other Guides associated in his affair, as friends, let alone, not having God as a friend.

They are the helpers of those who emigrate towards God and help his cause, those who guide in the journey, the best of those who race ahead in good deeds.

What is worse is not realizing the Guide who has been with you all along and is a proof of God and a proof of and means to know who you truly are.

You know what time it is. Profound sounding gibberish time

A post traumatic disorder could cause the ego to visualize reality in multiple negatives, due to either singular or concomitant threats from the id and superego. The resulting manifestation may or may not rise above the level of the pathological, leaving the patient either in a constant state of neurosis, borderline-psychosis or fully advanced psychosis. Should all of the three aforementioned evaluations be resistant to cure, then the client's disorder is medically identified as chronic. Evaluative identification reflects the universal, if the thinking scientist's views be in agreement with all tenets of his school of thought. Should they aberrate, even in one basic tenet, objectivity is compromised for the subjective and the possibility of the theoretical fusing with the practical for the manifestation of a patient’s recovery is beyond medicine’s capabilities.

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So says Jedi Raptor equestrian Carl Sagan

(September 4, 2017 at 6:03 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The value of human beings has an exact objective value irrespective of what other humans attribute them or what they attribute themselves.

Says you!
I disagree.

But tell me, where did you get this information? How did you get it?

(September 4, 2017 at 6:32 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(September 4, 2017 at 6:03 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The value of human beings has an exact objective value irrespective of what other humans attribute them or what they attribute themselves.

Says you!
I disagree.

But tell me, where did you get this information? How did you get it?

From the only means possible to know the truth to this answer.

Where did you get your view from?

Quote:From the only means possible to know the truth to this answer.

Where did you get your view from?

From having a brain . Something you don't.

(September 4, 2017 at 6:48 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(September 4, 2017 at 6:32 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Says you!
I disagree.

But tell me, where did you get this information? How did you get it?

From the only means possible to know the truth to this answer.

If the answer isn't "the voices in my head," you'll have to elaborate.

(September 4, 2017 at 8:08 pm)bennyboy Wrote:

(September 4, 2017 at 6:48 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: From the only means possible to know the truth to this answer.

If the answer isn't "the voices in my head," you'll have to elaborate.

Let him elaborate where he get his notion from.  I am certain of my view, while I am certain that he doesn't know if what he said is true but is merely asserting it.

(September 4, 2017 at 4:06 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(September 4, 2017 at 3:58 pm)pocaracas Wrote: MK, you use the word "value" a lot, here.
What is value?

Do things have value? I'd say that somethings, yes... and somethings we don't care...
Does money have value? Very much, huh? What makes money valuable? Does it have the same value to everyone? Does it have some "exact value"?

To my kids, I am more valuable than I am to you, am I not?
Like money, each of us has a value that is different for each person evaluating us.... and we evaluate ourselves, too.
Those values are all different, and none is exact.
This is so manifest, so apparent, so clear, that we don't need anything else, other than humans, to give us value.


Why do you think that your "reasoning" has any merit?
Why do you keep coming here with these futile arguments?
Do you enjoy being told time and time again "Wrong!! Go back to the drawing board!"?
Please think about what these concepts (like value) represent, before you go off and write a near-incomprehensible wall of text that can easily be picked apart, because you're using the concepts in a woo fashion that is not what they were generated for.

I am talking about the exact value we have as individuals.

Then you are talking about something I cannot understand.  Your value to your mother would be of one kind, to a mate another and to someone who only knows you only from your online presence something else altogether.  So it is unclear how you could possibly have one constant value to everyone in the world.  But of course you mean to some uber being who created you - you know - the very thing you are supposedly arguing for.  Nothing like basing your argument on your premise.