(August 5, 2011 at 3:19 am)fr0d0 Wrote:

(August 4, 2011 at 9:38 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Except when religion or the religious make a claim that provides us with a testable hypothesis. Increasing your knowledge of science does in fact increase your knowledge of religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeological_science

It can help distinguish what religion isn't. Properly understanding religion helps to understand the limitations of science.

Properly understanding science helps to understand there never had been room, except in the tawdry drug dens of wishthinking, for religion. What religion isn't is literally everything religionists wishfully insist it is.

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(August 5, 2011 at 10:55 am)Salty Amy Wrote: It's hard to very argue that America is poor.

Not in the British house of commons. When it was brought up that in time of austerity, Britain actually increased it's foreign aid budget and was giving india $1 billion to improve basic education and reduce abject poverty, Cameron government defended this allocation by pointing out the basic education in India is indeed in dire need of Improvement, and the poor there are indeed in great need of survival assistance. The opposition immediately shot back that basic education was also indeed poor in Mississippi and Alabama, and the poverty stricken In Louisiana are also in dire need of assistance. Why did the Cameron government not also offer a billion to the USA to improve education and alleviate poverty?

(August 5, 2011 at 11:14 am)Chuck Wrote:

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(August 5, 2011 at 10:55 am)Salty Amy Wrote: It's hard to very argue that America is poor.

Not in the British house of commons. When it was brought up that in time of austerity, Britain actually increased it's foreign aid budget and was giving india $1 billion to improve basic education and reduce abject poverty, Cameron government defended this allocation by pointing out the basic education in India is indeed in dire need of Improvement, and the poor there are indeed in great need of survival assistance. The opposition immediately shot back that basic education was also indeed poor in Mississippi and Alabama, and the poverty stricken In Louisiana are also in dire need of assistance. Why did the Cameron government not also offer a billion to the USA to improve education and alleviate poverty?

According to what our american friends are saying maybe you should have offered them some money, hell maybe I'll send some money ¬¬

(August 4, 2011 at 10:00 pm)Salty Amy Wrote: Excuse-me but to say the USA is not developed is really offensive to all the really undeveloped and poor countries in the world, you should really stop only looking to your over-fed whinny belly and look around. High speed internet really? A spoilled brat is what you are...

FWIW, when I took Anymouse into my home, he was homeless. Even now, he is quite underweight. "over-fed belly" doesn't quite cut it.

By what measure is the US a "developed" country? Because of the toys that some people have that were purchased by individuals and government on credit?

Do you mean the millions of people who have no access to medical care, except in
some hospital emergency rooms only if it's a dire emergency? Are you referring
to the growing number of people living under viaducts in cities washing the windows of
any car that goes by, hoping for something in payment?

Are you referring perhaps to the abysmal infant mortality rate that the USA has
in relation to other countries, at 177 out of 233, between the Northern Mariana Islands and the Faroe Islands? Do you mean in our life expectancy being between the nations of Cuba and Albania? When I lived in Oklahoma I taught adult literacy. That's not a job that's going to end any time soon - Oklahoma has a literacy rate a little lower than
Cambodia at well under half, as opposed to the US as a whole which has a 99% rate.

Do you mean a nation where 2/3 of the teachers report children coming to school who have not eaten since lunch the previous day, and too hungry to learn? http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2011/02/2...298510763/ Where in 2009, more than a million kids went to bed hungry each night? And 50 million had problems getting food sometime over the previous year? http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov...-us-report

A nation which does not have safety-nets? Or, some spotty ones which serve as safety nets for certain groups of people, and many people fall through because they either on't qualify for any help, or they cannot navigate to a source of help?

Life exists outside of yuppie suburbs. So does internet access - even homeless have access to high-speed internet through public libraries.

Beth

So you wanna compare data on your poorest state and mine? Maybe if the US government didn't spend so much in defense COF COF offense COF you wouldn't have does problems....

Read the chart:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications...1rank.html

Yup. Dirt Poor, we should start a campaign.

(August 5, 2011 at 10:55 am)Salty Amy Wrote: It's very hard argue that America is poor.

Most of America is quite poor. Guatemala, Nicaragua, and Puru are all quite impoverished.

Oh, you meant The United States of America. Don't confuse 2 continents, an isthmus between them, and several groups of islands with a nation on one of those continents.

Now, just counting the United States of America (USA for short), there are some extremely poor people who die of such things as exposure or hunger daily. There are some extremely wealthy people as well. The average income becomes fairly high, but there is a huge gap between the rich and the poor - or even the most highly paid employee and the lowest paid employee. And, there should not be millions of people who have been unemployed for years, and are unemployable now, and have fallen off of the statistical counts.

The obesity problem has a lot more to do with poor food choices, or even maybe good ones, considering that high calorie foods are cheaper than low calorie foods. Many children never see vegetables, or only see one serving or so per week.

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(August 5, 2011 at 5:30 pm)Salty Amy Wrote: So you wanna compare data on your poorest state and mine? Maybe if the US government didn't spend so much in defense COF COF offense COF you wouldn't have does problems....

Read the chart:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications...1rank.html

Yup. Dirt Poor, we should start a campaign.

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I am obviously talking about USA, I lived in Arkansas for an year and the family was poor for US standards, I am from Brazil I grew up with 40% inflation a month. So excuse me but when I say poor is nothing like anything I ever saw in USA.

USA is the richest country in the world and have been so for the better part of the last century, I won't be arguing with you guys about this anymore, it's not an opinion it is a FACT.

Now you're all over the internet complaining about the crisis, sorry if it's hard to feel bad for you. Looking from the 3rd world you seem just fine.

I'm a spolled-brat for sure, I know the mess we left and as I see other 3rd world nations struggling I cannot feel anything but spoiled. at least I know it.

You wanna see poor start walking south. I am done with this argument, if ya'll still pissed go ahead and PM me or get back on topic.

(August 5, 2011 at 5:45 pm)Salty Amy Wrote: I am obviously talking about USA, I lived in Arkansas for an year and the family was poor for US standards, I am from Brazil I grew up with 40% inflation a month. So excuse me but when I say poor is nothing like anything I ever saw in USA.

I see. You've made up your mind and don't bother you with the facts. Much like a religion.

Some of us have been to Brazil, Mexico, Central America, Puru, and other Latin American countries. Some of us have been to Africa, India, Asia, and other poor countries. Some
people here have lived in some of those countries.

(August 5, 2011 at 7:45 pm)BethK Wrote:

(August 5, 2011 at 5:45 pm)Salty Amy Wrote: I am obviously talking about USA, I lived in Arkansas for an year and the family was poor for US standards, I am from Brazil I grew up with 40% inflation a month. So excuse me but when I say poor is nothing like anything I ever saw in USA.

I see. You've made up your mind and don't bother you with the facts. Much like a religion.

Some of us have been to Brazil, Mexico, Central America, Puru, and other Latin American countries. Some of us have been to Africa, India, Asia, and other poor countries. Some
people here have lived in some of those countries.

I don't undertstand how that change the fact the the USA is one of the richest countries in the world, please explain.

(August 5, 2011 at 8:06 pm)Salty Amy Wrote:

(August 5, 2011 at 7:45 pm)BethK Wrote:

(August 5, 2011 at 5:45 pm)Salty Amy Wrote: I am obviously talking about USA, I lived in Arkansas for an year and the family was poor for US standards, I am from Brazil I grew up with 40% inflation a month. So excuse me but when I say poor is nothing like anything I ever saw in USA.

I see. You've made up your mind and don't bother you with the facts. Much like a religion.

Some of us have been to Brazil, Mexico, Central America, Puru, and other Latin American countries. Some of us have been to Africa, India, Asia, and other poor countries. Some
people here have lived in some of those countries.

I don't undertstand how that change the fact the the USA is one of the richest countries in the world, please explain.

You mean like being in a state of the US with a lower literacy rate than Cambodia, which is significantly lower than Brazil?
Do you mean like seeing lines stretching around the block at soup kitchens - which close the door when they run out of food?
Do you mean like people who are turned away from hospitals when in life-threatening conditions? It's illegal, but many hospitals just pay the fines.


I can see the mansions too. The average per-capita income may be quite high, but it is unevenly distributed.

The USA is the most INDEBTED country in the world, with the per-capita share of the National debt being around $186,000 and the average personal debt being around $50,000

You say that you cannot drive a car. You've got some sort of public transportation, or you've got a driver. In the town where we live, you would have to somehow get 16 miles (30 KM or so) to get to a grocery store, or a doctor, or a bank. You'd have to somehow get 60 or so miles (100 KM or so) to get to a mall, or a Walmart, or a Kmart, or a Home Depot.

Living in many cities is no better. After my car accident when I was unable to drive, there was no bus system that could be used. The taxi cabs would not allow you to carry groceries home in them - they said "insurance rules". The way I got to go grocery shopping was to hitch-hike. The way I got back to work was to walk 4 miles (9 KM) - and got run over once on the way to work while I was recovering from another accident!

(August 5, 2011 at 8:24 pm)BethK Wrote: The USA is the most INDEBTED country in the world, with the per-capita share of the National debt being around $186,000 and the average personal debt being around $50,000

No it's not http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychar...debt-guide

I never said everybody in Us is rich, just that being poor in the US is very different than being poor in a 3rd world country, have you seen slumdog millionaire? If you did you now what a slum is, tell me do you have anything like that in USA?
I am sorry for your personal problems but that also doesn't change the fact that USA is still one of the richest countries in the world.

I do believe that this crisis of yours is only beggining, besides the economy I think there is a political crisis were the polarisation reached a very dangerous level that can make the economic problems a lot worse I do think you are going to figure it out eventually.