(October 2, 2017 at 9:49 pm)Astonished Wrote:

(October 2, 2017 at 10:09 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: Good job explaining the unexplainable.

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Don't really care what the bible says.  Never has been a miracle.

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Really? Where in the bible does god refer to himself as father?

It's in there somewhere. I have a friend who majored in religion and told me about it, where it was more like he was asking his chosen people to call him 'daddy' rather than the more formal 'father'. Maybe he was just playing around, I don't know. Or care much since I'm not the one who believes in any of it.

If it does, I'd be interested in finding out the original word that was translated.

'Abba', I think it was. Not sure in what context it differentiated 'daddy' from 'father' but then I'm not the one who majored in it. Again, he might have just been fucking with me but it sounded funny when he explained it to me.

(September 30, 2017 at 4:50 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(September 30, 2017 at 12:38 am)Godscreated Wrote:  Oh yes I know the difference and you would too if you ever experienced Him. The reason faith comes first is simply because we are asked to believe in an unseen God, just as Jesus said blessed are those who believe in Me without seeing Me, blessed I am. You can't get past ownership of something you in actuality do not own, once you over come that you might see things differently.

Except lots of atheists on this forum believed the same confidence trick that you do. They were just as convinced as you that they had experienced your god and then later realised, unlike you, that it was all bollocks.

All the answers that you have given me above are based on believing in this confidence trick and you can't back up any of it. You make plenty of assertions, such as about your god but provide absolutely no evidence. As Hitchins said, that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. You say 'Many highly educated doctors have said that the healing can only be explained as a miracle' but provide no evidence for this statement. I'd certainly find a different doctor if my one said that to me.

You would be jumping for joy if it were an incurable cancer that just went away over night. As for Hitchins that's just his opinion because he can't disprove God and needed a confidence trick to fool his followers. 

Mathilda Wrote:You say that I am asking stupid questions but they only feel that way to you because you do not have critical thinking skills and therefore do not question your assumptions. If they were stupid questions then you'd be able to answer them with evidence and describing plausible mechanisms involved. You can't. All you can do is assert what you have been told yourself and do not question.

 

I've questioned many things including parts of the Bible, God will reveal the answers when I ask, some confirm what I was taught and others expand on what I was taught and others give me new answers. critical thinking is a part of an Christians life who seeks the truth.

Mathilda Wrote:Does your god actually ever refer to himself as male? I don't personally know but I would be interested to see a passage in your bible were he does explicitly refer to himself as male. But again it's an assertion you are making without providing any evidence. You don't even try answering the question of why there a being can be something described as male if it's the only one that's ever been in existence. If it's male then it implicitly tells us that there are other gods who are not male., otherwise it's like referring to every part of the spectrum of light as purple.

Here's the stupid question again, you need to get over it. God refers to himself as male. Mt. 5:16, Mt. 5:48, Mt. 6:1, 4, 6, 8, 9, 14, 15, 18, 26, 32. I'll stop here if you can't accept this then we have nothing further to say on the subject. This is what God the son says and the Father also called Jesus the Son encase you do not understand son is a male term.

Mathilda Wrote:You don't provide any evidence that your god created you. Again it's just something that you have been told and are repeating without evidence. Yet there is plenty of evidence for evolution and development of complexity since the Big Bang.

God created all that exists, read the Genesis narrative. There is no evidence of the big bang nor evolution, evolution is impossible without new information being added to DNA and there is no mechanism for that to happen, seems the evolutionary scientist love to skip over this bit. The big bang is under question by the scientific world.
 

Mathilda Wrote:Questions are not stupid if you cannot answer them. Referring to them as stupid shows us just how deeply indoctrinated you are.
You mention Adam's body having a soul, but again, have just accepted this and not asked what a soul could possibly be. This is because you do nt have critical thinking skills. No doubt you would say that it's a stupid question, but at the same time be able to answer yet another seemingly stupid question.

 
You are really full of questions yet you do not ever accept  an answer. 

Mathilda Wrote:Your god's power is also indistinguishable from an illusion and you can provide no evidence that it isn't.

Since you do not believe in God I expect such a statement from you, being so you are not qualified to make such a statement and represent it as truth, it's nothing but an opinion you give to please the other atheist.

GC

If there's a requirement that evolutionary biology be entirely wrong for your religion to be true, then your religion is false.  If there is no such requirement...why saddle yourself with the baggage?

So what if it means that a few lines in a fairy tale are nonsense? A sane person expects that to be the case regardless. At least it rescues the notion of a god from being nonsense. We're talking about the same bedtime story that contains the painted sticks theory of animanl husbandry. Biology clearly wasn't among any of the authors strengths.

(September 30, 2017 at 1:16 am)Astreja Wrote:

(September 30, 2017 at 12:38 am)Godscreated Wrote: Congratulation to both of you and I'm sincere about this, you've accomplished so much, more than I have. But being my worst nightmare is an illusion, I also have many skills but the greatest is knowing I can trust in God. None of your skills frighten me, why should they I admire them in a woman or a man, I'm not going to toot my own horn and list the things I can do just know they are more than a few.

Thank you for the congratulations, GC.  Normally I wouldn't have resorted to such a massive CV, but being told that I'm childish and need to suck it up was a trifle annoying in the context of my experiences.

 When someone deserves to be congratulated as you do I will do so but if one acts childish at some point if it continues I will point that out, too. i think it's awesome when people apply themselves to accomplish much. 

GC

(October 3, 2017 at 1:15 pm)Godscreated Wrote: You would be jumping for joy if it were an incurable cancer that just went away over night. As for Hitchins that's just his opinion because he can't disprove God and needed a confidence trick to fool his followers. 

Evidence required that incurable cancer went away over night. Or is this yet another assertion that is indistinguishable from fantasy?

(October 3, 2017 at 1:15 pm)Godscreated Wrote: critical thinking is a part of an Christians life who seeks the truth.

Yet you still can't explain what critical thinking is.

(October 3, 2017 at 1:15 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

Mathilda Wrote:Does your god actually ever refer to himself as male? I don't personally know but I would be interested to see a passage in your bible were he does explicitly refer to himself as male. But again it's an assertion you are making without providing any evidence. You don't even try answering the question of why there a being can be something described as male if it's the only one that's ever been in existence. If it's male then it implicitly tells us that there are other gods who are not male., otherwise it's like referring to every part of the spectrum of light as purple.

Here's the stupid question again, you need to get over it. God refers to himself as male. Mt. 5:16, Mt. 5:48, Mt. 6:1, 4, 6, 8, 9, 14, 15, 18, 26, 32. I'll stop here if you can't accept this then we have nothing further to say on the subject. This is what God the son says and the Father also called Jesus the Son encase you do not understand son is a male term.

Now explain away the absurdity of having only one thing of its kind that has ever existed being defined as male and how whatever characteristics it has cannot also be described as being female.

(October 3, 2017 at 1:15 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

Mathilda Wrote:You don't provide any evidence that your god created you. Again it's just something that you have been told and are repeating without evidence. Yet there is plenty of evidence for evolution and development of complexity since the Big Bang.

God created all that exists, read the Genesis narrative. There is no evidence of the big bang nor evolution, evolution is impossible without new information being added to DNA and there is no mechanism for that to happen, seems the evolutionary scientist love to skip over this bit. The big bang is under question by the scientific world.

So more empty assertions with no evidence.

The theory of the Big Bang and theory of evolution would not  still be around were it not for scientific evidence. The Big Bang is still the dominant theory in the scientific world. Again ... assertions with no evidence. You do not understand the scientific method. Nor do you understand evolution. Mutation adds information to the DNA.

There an evolutionary scientist has now explained it to you.

(October 3, 2017 at 1:15 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

Mathilda Wrote:Questions are not stupid if you cannot answer them. Referring to them as stupid shows us just how deeply indoctrinated you are.
You mention Adam's body having a soul, but again, have just accepted this and not asked what a soul could possibly be. This is because you do nt have critical thinking skills. No doubt you would say that it's a stupid question, but at the same time be able to answer yet another seemingly stupid question.

 
You are really full of questions yet you do not ever accept  an answer. 

You never provide an answer. Just empty assertions.

(October 3, 2017 at 1:15 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

Mathilda Wrote:Your god's power is also indistinguishable from an illusion and you can provide no evidence that it isn't.

Since you do not believe in God I expect such a statement from you, being so you are not qualified to make such a statement and represent it as truth, it's nothing but an opinion you give to please the other atheist.

That's circular reasoning. It also can be turned back on you. You're not a believer in Allah so you're not qualified to say that the Muslims are correct in that you are wrong and not worshiping the correct god.

We'd also have never left the caves with that attitude. Progress has come about because of the scientific method (which you do not understand). The modern world is testament to it working. The scientific method works by questioning what we don't know.

(October 3, 2017 at 1:22 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(September 30, 2017 at 1:16 am)Astreja Wrote: Thank you for the congratulations, GC.  Normally I wouldn't have resorted to such a massive CV, but being told that I'm childish and need to suck it up was a trifle annoying in the context of my experiences.

 When someone deserves to be congratulated as you do I will do so but if one acts childish at some point if it continues I will point that out, too. i think it's awesome when people apply themselves to accomplish much. 

GC

Just got to ask, do you actually find a lot of adults who give a rat's ass for your evaluation of the salience and maturity level of their remarks?

Also, pro tip:  if you haven't figured out by now, none of us wants to play the save-my-soul game with you.  Your remarks reek of condescension and do not lend any credence to anything you're advocating.  In fact, just the opposite.

(October 3, 2017 at 1:15 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(September 30, 2017 at 4:50 am)Mathilda Wrote: Except lots of atheists on this forum believed the same confidence trick that you do. They were just as convinced as you that they had experienced your god and then later realised, unlike you, that it was all bollocks.

All the answers that you have given me above are based on believing in this confidence trick and you can't back up any of it. You make plenty of assertions, such as about your god but provide absolutely no evidence. As Hitchins said, that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. You say 'Many highly educated doctors have said that the healing can only be explained as a miracle' but provide no evidence for this statement. I'd certainly find a different doctor if my one said that to me.

You would be jumping for joy if it were an incurable cancer that just went away over night. As for Hitchins that's just his opinion because he can't disprove God and needed a confidence trick to fool his followers.

No shit.  Everybody would.  Will never happen.  How would one disprove god, especially since you can't prove his existence?

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(October 3, 2017 at 1:15 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

Mathilda Wrote:Does your god actually ever refer to himself as male? I don't personally know but I would be interested to see a passage in your bible were he does explicitly refer to himself as male. But again it's an assertion you are making without providing any evidence. You don't even try answering the question of why there a being can be something described as male if it's the only one that's ever been in existence. If it's male then it implicitly tells us that there are other gods who are not male., otherwise it's like referring to every part of the spectrum of light as purple.

Here's the stupid question again, you need to get over it. God refers to himself as male. Mt. 5:16, Mt. 5:48, Mt. 6:1, 4, 6, 8, 9, 14, 15, 18, 26, 32. I'll stop here if you can't accept this then we have nothing further to say on the subject. This is what God the son says and the Father also called Jesus the Son encase you do not understand son is a male term.

In the original languages?  Please show us how stupid we are.

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(October 3, 2017 at 1:15 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

Mathilda Wrote:You don't provide any evidence that your god created you. Again it's just something that you have been told and are repeating without evidence. Yet there is plenty of evidence for evolution and development of complexity since the Big Bang.

God created all that exists, read the Genesis narrative. There is no evidence of the big bang nor evolution, evolution is impossible without new information being added to DNA and there is no mechanism for that to happen, seems the evolutionary scientist love to skip over this bit. The big bang is under question by the scientific world.

You're lying again.  You refuse to educate yourself outside of your bubble.  You're intentionally ignorant.  Of course the big bang, as well as specifics about evolution, are in question.  They're THEORIES.  How can you question science when you don't even understand the basics?

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(October 3, 2017 at 1:15 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

Mathilda Wrote:Questions are not stupid if you cannot answer them. Referring to them as stupid shows us just how deeply indoctrinated you are.
You mention Adam's body having a soul, but again, have just accepted this and not asked what a soul could possibly be. This is because you do nt have critical thinking skills. No doubt you would say that it's a stupid question, but at the same time be able to answer yet another seemingly stupid question.

 
You are really full of questions yet you do not ever accept  an answer. 

You don't give answers.  You give dogma.  You give bible verses. Why should we accept them? None of these require thinking.

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(October 3, 2017 at 1:15 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

Mathilda Wrote:Your god's power is also indistinguishable from an illusion and you can provide no evidence that it isn't.

Since you do not believe in God I expect such a statement from you, being so you are not qualified to make such a statement and represent it as truth, it's nothing but an opinion you give to please the other atheist.

GC

She has more qualification than you do. You assert without evidence and call it truth.  But it's your claim.  Put up or shut up.

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(October 3, 2017 at 1:22 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(September 30, 2017 at 1:16 am)Astreja Wrote: Thank you for the congratulations, GC.  Normally I wouldn't have resorted to such a massive CV, but being told that I'm childish and need to suck it up was a trifle annoying in the context of my experiences.

 When someone deserves to be congratulated as you do I will do so but if one acts childish at some point if it continues I will point that out, too. i think it's awesome when people apply themselves to accomplish much. 

GC

When are you going to start?

(October 3, 2017 at 2:18 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(October 3, 2017 at 1:22 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  When someone deserves to be congratulated as you do I will do so but if one acts childish at some point if it continues I will point that out, too. i think it's awesome when people apply themselves to accomplish much. 

GC

Just got to ask, do you actually find a lot of adults who give a rat's ass for your evaluation of the salience and maturity level of their remarks?

Also, pro tip:  if you haven't figured out by now, none of us wants to play the save-my-soul game with you.  Your remarks reek of condescension and do not lend any credence to anything you're advocating.  In fact, just the opposite.

That's why I didn't believe for a microsecond that his apology to Astreja was in any way sincere.

(October 3, 2017 at 2:18 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(October 3, 2017 at 1:22 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  When someone deserves to be congratulated as you do I will do so but if one acts childish at some point if it continues I will point that out, too. I think it's awesome when people apply themselves to accomplish much. 

GC

Just got to ask, do you actually find a lot of adults who give a rat's ass for your evaluation of the salience and maturity level of their remarks?

Also, pro tip:  if you haven't figured out by now, none of us wants to play the save-my-soul game with you.  Your remarks reek of condescension and do not lend any credence to anything you're advocating.  In fact, just the opposite.

 Why I get those evaluations all the time and you never complain about that, seems your a tad bit biased towards Christians. Your pro tip sucks for many reasons.

GC