(October 6, 2017 at 1:32 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(October 6, 2017 at 11:29 am)emjay Wrote: My bold.

I already do feel remorse and regret for the wrong I've done and the mistakes I've made in my life. I don't need a God for that. I gotta say, it surprises and worries me that you think you, or unbelievers like us, do. My judge is my own empathy and conscience, as well as society; no God required.

Yeah, I didn't make myself very clear. I was talking about it in the context of feeling remorse toward God.

Okay. With that correction in mind, I'm not sure I understand the question. Remorse for letting him down on top of the inherent remorse?... ie sorry to him as well as sorry to whoever I wronged?

(October 6, 2017 at 3:00 pm)emjay Wrote:

(October 6, 2017 at 1:32 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yeah, I didn't make myself very clear. I was talking about it in the context of feeling remorse toward God.

Okay. With that correction in mind, I'm not sure I understand the question. Remorse for letting him down on top of the inherent remorse?... ie sorry to him as well as sorry to whoever I wronged?

Yes. 

I imagine decent people already feel remorse for those they have wronged. But when we believe in God we believe in apologizing to the person we have wronged as well as expressing remorse to God for violating His commandment to love others and treating one of "His children" badly. That's where I was going with that.

(October 6, 2017 at 3:07 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(October 6, 2017 at 3:00 pm)emjay Wrote: Okay. With that correction in mind, I'm not sure I understand the question. Remorse for letting him down on top of the inherent remorse?... ie sorry to him as well as sorry to whoever I wronged?

Yes. 

I imagine decent people already feel remorse for those they have wronged. But when we believe in God we believe in apologizing to the person we have wronged as well as expressing remorse to God for violating His commandment to love others and treating one of "His children" badly. That's where I was going with that.

Would this involve god apologizing to us in any way for any of his wrongdoings? If this isn't a two-way exchange, then we owe him nothing. He cast the first stone.

He would have a lot of explaining to do. For the op to be true much of the bible would have to be total bullshit.

He'd have to explain for instance, why people who have done no wrong get all kinds of disabilities and diseases.

Original sin doesn't come close. People aren't responsible for the actions of others. Even if they were, punishment should be equal instead of a roll of the dice to decide if you'll have a healthy body and brain or not. Or if you'll be porn poverty stricken, middle class, or rich.

If he could provide good explanations for that, yes I would accept him. I doubt such explanations could possibly exist.

(October 6, 2017 at 3:16 pm)Industrial Lad Wrote: He would have a lot of explaining to do. For the op to be true much of the bible would have to be total bullshit.

He'd have to explain for instance, why people who have done no wrong get all kinds of disabilities and diseases.

Original sin doesn't come close. People aren't responsible for the actions of others. Even if they were, punishment should be equal instead of a roll of the dice to decide if you'll have a healthy body and brain or not. Or if you'll be porn poverty stricken, middle class, or rich.

If he could provide good explanations for that, yes I would accept him. I doubt such explanations could possibly exist.

The disabled serve a purpose; that is showing the healthy how lucky they are to be healthy; and how life could've been them.
The death of somebody in a young age; or the sickness of another, made humanity a better breed. Taught us to be compassionate, because we can be in that sick person's shoes. Eventually; you feel sorry for the needy; because you imagine their pain inflicted on you. Thus; societies advance and good prospers.

If God opened the blessings on humans in this life; we'll end up with the Greek Mythology's scenario. Earth would've burnt; international  conventions of preventing WMDS and Chemical Weapons would've not been an option:

Quote:Sura 42, The Quran:
( 27 )   And if Allah had extended [excessively] provision for His servants, they would have committed tyranny throughout the earth. But He sends [it] down in an amount which He wills. Indeed He is, of His servants, Acquainted and Seeing.

A god who killed every puppy, kitten, cub, fawn, etc., on the planet because he couldn't get a simple think like a human right deserves no respect even if he does exist.

(October 6, 2017 at 3:50 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: The disabled serve a purpose; that is showing the healthy how lucky they are to be healthy; and how life could've been them.
The death of somebody in a young age; or the sickness of another, made humanity a better breed. Taught us to be compassionate, because we can be in that sick person's shoes. Eventually; you feel sorry for the needy; because you imagine their pain inflicted on you. Thus; societies advance and good prospers.

Now where have I herd this disgusting shit before?

Quote:I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people.

Why it's out of the mouth of that disgusting cow Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu.

(October 6, 2017 at 4:13 pm)Succubus Wrote:

(October 6, 2017 at 3:50 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: The disabled serve a purpose; that is showing the healthy how lucky they are to be healthy; and how life could've been them.
The death of somebody in a young age; or the sickness of another, made humanity a better breed. Taught us to be compassionate, because we can be in that sick person's shoes. Eventually; you feel sorry for the needy; because you imagine their pain inflicted on you. Thus; societies advance and good prospers.

Now where have I herd this disgusting shit before?

Tony ?




You need people like us, so you can point your fucking fingers, saying that you are the "clean; healthy; happy people". You are not clean or happy. All humans are the same; sick or healthy. Take the skin off and there is your human being. A mere machine. You need people like us, so you can spend your sorry time on earth thinking you are so better than me, her or him, ignoring that everybody dies eventually, that everybody is made of star dust.

A majority that knows how to hide their pooping and pissing, and covering the filthy smell of their sweat, and put makeup to appear magical and pretty.
The handicapped are just stripped of this lying ability. So it's an honor; really.

(October 6, 2017 at 4:19 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Tony ?




You need people like us, so you can point your fucking fingers, saying that you are the "clean; healthy; happy people". You are not clean or happy. All humans are the same; sick or healthy. Take the skin off and there is your human being. A mere machine. You need people like us, so you can spend your sorry time on earth thinking you are so better than me, her or him, ignoring that everybody dies eventually, that everybody is made of star dust.

I don't have the remotest idea what that monologue means and I've no intention of clicking that link to find out.